[reno]

I have a mixed breed (boxer, shepherd, rott) puppy 11 weeks old who has distemper. He was in a litter of 11 and the owners of both the mother and father did NOT vaccinate the pups. Mine was the runt and seems to be the only one who has distemper I knew when I got him that he had a seizure but the owners assured me that they took him to the vet and that he was fine. After a few days at home, he started to seize about once a day and since then is up to 2-3 times a day. I brought him to my vet and he put him on valium and flagyl. These medicines have not worked and the pup is getting worse. He cries alot. He is exhausted for hours after these seizures. He is depressed and his eyes are droppy. He keeps getting hiccups and when he sleeps has trouble breathing. Before these seizures he gets extremely aggressive and has tried to attack my husband one time and me on two others. When he is not in the aggressive state he is a wonderful pup. He is having trouble with soreness in his hind legs. He seems to be losing coordination and is walking into walls, cars and houses like he doesn't know they are there. He will sit and look around and appears to lose all concentration almost like a child who has ADHD sometimes does. Just today he seems to have a nervous tic on the right side of his face involving his eye and his mouth. His appetite has been good until a day or so ago, and he is drinking and eating but not as much as he was. When he has a seizure his jaw either clamps shut tight or snaps open and closed involuntarily. He loses his bladder and his bowels during these. He becomes rigid with violent shaking of the head and shaking of his body. He foams at the mouth during and after and needs time to regain his movement and will walk aimlessly or in circles until he feels better.
My daughter has one of his sisters and there is no indication of any of this in her.
The vet said there is nothing else he knows to do and has referred me to a specialist who I will call today. Has anyone had a puppy in this dire condition that lived and HAD A NORMAL LIFE? I am very attached already but I am not ready to see this puppy suffer for the rest of his life.

[Daveyo]

Hi I am Daveyo

Without further delay, you need to find a VET willing to do a NDV-CSF tap. It is based on the size of your dog, and not on the weight of your dog.

The NDV will stop the ODE phase your dog is experiencing now. You must also check for pneuomonia as well.

You have to do this very soon and not weeks or many days from now. You must do this ASAP.

Since your dog is still small, I suggest you have the vet do the following. He will need to have anesthesia, 2 syringes, saline solution 1 NDV with diluent, a cather, a shaver, and anti-shock meds and some I.V.

The vet must put the dog to sleep to keep it from moving around, and then give anti-shock meds and have the I.V flowing. Then shave the back of the head area and locate the Foramen Magnum (Cerebral Cranial Cavity area) directly on top of the spine to the base of the skull. Once this is cleared of the hair, then insert the cather in and withdraw a total of 0.5cc of spinal fluid. Leave 0.2cc of spinal fluid in the syringe, discard 0.3 into another vial to take out for testing. Then take 0.2cc of NDV and mix with the 0.2cc of spinal fluid. Make sure there is no air in the syringe. Then inject to the CNS and then take 0.1cc of saline to flush out the needle hub. After this the operation is complete.

Wait until the dog wakes up and is able to wag its tail and stand. Then you can take it home. It will take 24 hours for the virus to stop and also to stop the ODE effects. You must observe your dog for a good 60 days. It will take a good 30 days before you will finally see how much damage the disease did to your dog. After that the recovery period begins.

To control any seizures give it phenobarbital of 8.125 mg every 12 to 24 hours depending on its needs. In the beginning the dog will have seizures but eventually it will begin to spread apart more and more meaning less seizures over time. This repair process will take about a year.

NDV will cancel out the ODE death sentence, and stop the virus from doing any more damage and eliminate the virus from the CNS permanently.

You will also have to do the body injection as well to get rid of the virus as well. This is based on the weight of the dog. 0.1cc for every pound and if between add another 0.1cc and inject to the blood vein of the dog prefer in the front legs.

To stop pneumonia, you need 0.5cc of Baytril and 1.0cc of Penicillin G mixed together and inject to the muscle at the rear part of the dog twice a day (every 12 hours) for 7 straight days.

The cure in the body is in 24 hours from the NDV injection. You are welcomed to go to my site at [moderator note: website address has been removed] and register and print out the copy for the vet under the medical protocol under the topic of Canine Distemper. I have everything there for you.

If you need further help let me know

Daveyo

[reno]

Daveyo,

Thank you very much..........I will print out the proceedure from your site today and take it to my vet.......the vet did put him on phenobarb. and the seizures have stopped for the last two days....if we follow this proceedure, will the pup still be contagious and not be allowed near other dogs?

Thanks

[Daveyo]

Once the dog is given NDV both ways the body and the CNS your dog will no longer be contagious but it will continue to shed this virus out of the body for about a month. So keep other animals clear away for one month to be on the safe side.

Also keep in mind that once given NDV your dog will be immuned for life against Distemper both for the body and in the CNS. The titer reading will be like 1/1600 which is extremely very high. Normal titer reading is around 1/20 to 1/40. Ok. That is why the immunity for life is there because it will take years for it to come down to normal levels. I would estimate in about 20 years the level will be about 1/600 or 1/400, which is still very high depending on the genetics of the dog itself.

DO NOT GIVE NDV EVER AGAIN. It is only a one time deal. Understand this well. Also do not give your dog anymore Distemper vaccine and do not give your dog any live virus Parvo vaccine. It is very nasty and reacts badly to NDV. You can give killed virus of Parvo Vaccine. OK Any vaccine killed is fine. It is the live virus you have to worry about.

When you give the vaccine you give only 1/2 dose and wait 21 days and then the other 1/2 dose.

After the NDV shots and the NDV CSF shots, and after the Baytril and Pen G, you do not vaccinate your dog for a minimum of 6 months. However you can give Rabies shots after 60 days from the NDV injection. Very important to protect against Rabies since there is no cure against that particular disease. OK. Please consult me at that time and keep giving me the updates on the dog over the course of time. I will tell you when it is safe to vaccinate. I need to know its progress because it has seizures. Dogs that have seizures can have scars inside the brain that interfere with the neurons and it causes it to go haywire and also upsets the proteins that the neurons have. This is very complicated to explain to you, since your getting into neurology here. So lets stick with the laymans deal so you can understand.

So between now and those vaccinations make sure you keep the area around the house and your dogs area CLEAN. You have to guard against Parvo especially, and the other diseases.

So first find that NDV and give it to your dog ASAP and do both the body and the CNS. Once you do that then your out of the woods for the most part against that disease itself. The rest is time and recovery.

Keep me posted here or at my site. Either way.

Daveyo

[reno]

Daveyo,

I want to thank you for the indepth advice you gave me last thursday concerning my pup Reno. I am sorry that I didn't respond sooner but that day as I was calling vets to see if any would do the proceedure, my pup died. I couldn't bring myself to get back on this site until today.

Thank you VERY MUCH for your concern

[Daveyo]

Sorry to read of your loss. My condolences to you and your family.


Daveyo