[hep859]

Our Newfoundland was rescued from a horrible animal shelter. He was said to have kennel cough. When we went to the vet we were urgently ushered out saying the dog may have distemper Now, 3 days later, the dog is completely fine with some slight wheezing, on antibiotics and vitamin C, but otherwise, energetic, firm stools, eating well, and playing. Could it just have been kennel cough? Geez, we almost put the dog down!

[Daveyo]

First what antibiotics are you giving the dog??? The wheezing may indicate possible pneumonia. Quickest way for you to find this out and you can do it yourself, is have the dog stand still and you tap a couple times on the side of the rib cage (do both sides) a bit hard and watch the response of the dog. If the dog coughs after you do the tap, the dog has pneumonia. Penicillin G is in order and also Baytril to get the dog out of pneumonia. Two treatments each day for 7 days. If the dog does not cough, then it has Kennel cough or something else. Again antibiotics will do for now because you cannot give the dog the vaccine known as Pneumodog (for kennel cough and parainfluenza). You can only give the dog the vaccine shots when well.

If your dog has Distemper, best way to check for this is for rapidly diagnosing ACUTE distemper is to do what is called a bush border smear of the cells of the inside lining of the bladder. These cells ALWAYS have inclusions. So, easy to collect, easy to stain (quick dip) and instantly diagnosed with inclusions in these cells. If present then Distemper. If not then something else. Another is using the Elisia test kit that is specifically available to test for high presence of Distemper antibodies.

Be advised to please do tests on this dog since you got it from a bad place. Canine Distemper is very much common in these places. So do this test first most importantly. You do not want to mess around with Distemper. It is very destructive and highly contagious. There is a cure of which I posted here under Canine Distemper. Everything you need to do is already in that post. Also did the dog have vaccinations etc.???

How old is this dog?????

You leave out a lot of detail but want answers so how about putting down the details a bit better so you can get the right advice.

That vet that chased you out has to be one very bad ass vet. Not worth his salt being a Doctor. Avoid him and find someone else even if you have to travel a bit but get a good Doctor -> OK If you can, please give me the name of this Doctor and the name of his practice, and location and if possible his e-mail addy. I want to personally confront this Doctor myself. If he had done the same to me, I can shut him down very quickly and end his career being a Vet.

I would appreciate such information. Confidence is assured.

[hep859]

I know nothing about this dog except that he is approx. 2 yrs old. I don't know if he's had shots and from the looks of it, I doubt he has had any. I don't know the animal shelters practice, like if they give them shots when they get there. But he had an injection of Baytril, and we were sent home with Clavamox Tabs 250 mg. to be given 3 X's per day. Also, he gave us small pills called Torb 1 mg, to be given 3 x per day, or more if needed for coughing and pain.
I apologize for not giving more information, but the stress I am under has been very difficult to deal with. I'm not getting much sleep traveling back and forth between my two dogs trying to keep it together and keep from crying. The new dog seems to be doing better today, little coughing, yellow/greenish discharge from the nose. Otherwise, in good spirits, especially after the little pill called torb. It keeps him very relaxed and calm. The dog I have at home, standard poodle 7 months old, was exposed to the newfoundland the first day and is now sneezing but nothing else so far for a week.
I did what you said on the Newfoundland, firmly patting his sides and he did not cough.
The doctor we saw for him was Dr. Anderson, 15013 Main Street, Hesperia, CA 92345
Phone is (760) 948-5584. He agreed to see him again Tuesday and was surprised to see how well the dog was doing but told us not to get our hopes up, that distemper could go another direction. It seems like each day is different with him. We keep him inside for the most part, but sometimes he wants to lay on the patio. It seems like when we let him outside at all, he gets worse.
Do you still recommend the things that you posted, and is there anything else I have left out. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

[Daveyo]

First, you have done well in giving the proper information here. Second please hold firm and keep your emotions in check because you need to be calm to make rational decisions. Third the discharge from his nose says something and I will contact my expert and report back to you. Fourth, please be good enough to see on the left side here about Canine Distemper. Fifth, your Vet certainly does not know Canine distemper very well.

Dogs with canine distemper will not eat much, will have fevers of 102 deg F or higher up to 106 deg F. Most common is in the 105 deg F range. Dogs with this disease will have stoll changes to becoming soupy, and will go into withdrawal, and also drink little water. Depending on the stage you will be seeing goop in the eyes, running discharge from the nose, hardening of the pads.

Please do the bladder test as I have mentioned here which is the quickest way to confirm distemper. Your test on the chest is a good sign showing no pneumonia is present at time being. The antibiotics seem to be doing the job.

Distemper does not variate and goes on a straight course. Have the doctor do a stool test and a urine test and a blood test to see what is going on overall. If there is a infection ongoing, it will show up like a sore thumb.

I will get back to you with some instructions and answers that might be able to pin this down for you.

Once you get this dog healthy again, then do the full vaccination series shots including the Pneumodog one shot and then every year. It will take 4 vaccinations to get this dog up to date then once a year after that last vac shot and the rabies which you need to do once and then every year as the boost. Also do the de-worming 3 times once every 3 weeks, and then once a month for two months After that do it once every 3 months or 4 times a year to protect the intestines. You also need to give it heart guard once every month to protect the heart as well for life of the dog. Frontline protects against tics and mossie bites which also causes problems in the blood stream. Right now that dog is in danger of getting any of the big 10 diseases. Vac shots highly recommended every year. Especially when the dog is entering its senior years. Most important to maintain those shots every year.

Keep doing the route your going until I respond back OK

hang in there.

[hep859]

Thank you, I will await your reply. You might like an update on the Newfoundland. His nose is running clear this afternoon, and his poop is firm. His outlook and attitude is very good. Exceptional appetite. Drinking plenty of bottled dasani water. Is it the 'torb' pill that is making him seem okay?

[Daveyo]

No the torb pill is like taking barbituates. Basically a downer pill making them drowsy so they rest more than be active.

[Daveyo]

That is good news on the recovery. Seems to be some infection the dog had, because you were giving Baytril (also an antibiotic), and Clavamox which is part of the family of amoxycillin, or otherwise known as penicillin.

Hmm, why the Vet not give you chloroamphenical injection??? This one is even better and far more sensitive to bacteria infections.

I can laugh at the Vet for a lousy diagnosis, and the way you sound here - your not even close to distemper.

its a common problem of vets making the assumption that the dogs or cats have distemper, whereas they claim such but actually were treating infections or bacteria flare ups.

I suspect your dog had a good case of the flu bug. Snot of yellow/green is indicative of phlem which is common on the upper respiratory region of the dogs.

There are several diseases which mimic Distemper. The one thing that will stand out telling you its distemper is the high fever of avg 105 deg F to 106 deg F, and the acute distemper bladder test.

Can't blame the Vet because of stupidity, but really education is best.

Right now I am working with some experts on getting a better cure for distemper and MS in humans and I believe we have this cure and now is in the process of making the serum and getting the FDA approval to get it out to the public. Basically it is good because it reverses the damage caused by the T-killer cell that destroys the myelin and Schwann cells. This serum will not eliminate the antibody virus in the cerebral fluid, but neutralizes it, and stops the mess caused by the bodies immune system. It is very complex but trust me this was discovered last month. NDV on the other hand also stops the mess but the recovery is very slow. This new serum speeds up the recovery and the repair of such damage. So they are working on figuring out the proper dosage. Our tests show at 5,000 times the dosage and showed no side effects.

Welcome to medicine

[Daveyo]

I checked with my expert and was told your dog has a strong probability of having Distemper. Sorry to tell you this news. Please do the following and let me know the results. Most important and time is of essence.

The very best test for rapidly diagnosing ACUTE DISTEMPER is to do what is called a bush border smear of the cells of the inside lining of the bladder. These cells ALWAYS have inclusions. So, easy to collect, easy to stain (quick dip) and instantly diagnosed with inclusions in these cells. If present then Distemper. If not then something else.

Do not do the blood test. Do this above test RIGHT HERE AND NOW and get the Vet to do this right away.

After doing as instructed here let me know the test results. It is very accurate in determining if your animal has Distemper or not.

Get on it and let me know ASAP. Your running on a time frame when dealing with Canine Distemper. It is a very bad virus.

If the test confirms positive with Distemper then continue on this same topic of Canine Distemper and look for my POST with a Title """""""FOR ANY CASES OF CONFIRMED CANINE DISTEMPER""""". I put this post up on October 29th. Follow all the instructions as given in that post and do not deviate from it. OK. Do everything I say on that post and don't waste any more time.

If the test confirms negative your out of the woods and definitely is dealing with something else that basically antibiotics does the trick and cures it.

Let me know what is going on.

[hep859]

I'll call the vet today regarding the test. Thank you for all of your help. What if it comes back positive? Should I have him put down or try to save him? The stress is really beginning to get to me.

[Daveyo]

No need to be stressed out. Take an easy. Do the test ASAP. If it comes positive SAVE THE DOG. AGAIN REPEAT -> SAVE THE DOG Get the Newcastles Disease Virus Vaccine. Get 3 bottles. It is not expensive about $0.23 cents (USA) per vial. Its quite simple to cure your dog. But you need to get that Newcastles as fast as you can. Once you have it then your in business. Make sure you bring ice to keep it cold until you use it.

Then go to the Vet, and follow my instructions that I have posted here under the title """"For Any Confirmed Cases of Distemper"""" in the Canine Distemper topics. Dated October 29th. Once you are there print it out and make yourself two copies. Give one copy to the Vet OK and the other yourself and make sure the VET does exactly as instructed from my post.

All the instructions are there. Once the dog is injected the cure is between 12-48 hours. No big problem or any side effects. It simply will stop the virus cold turkey dead on its tracks and cures the dog of the virus. Depending on how long the dog had this virus, you should look for other signs such as pad hardening, or goop in the eyes, and also examine the teeth. You will see yellow teeth instead of white teeth. From the teeth, I can almost tell you how long the dog had the disease before getting the NDV injection.

Similar to like the trees that make rings inside the bark. Those rings tell you the age of the tree.

Now get to work on it, FIND THE NEWCASTLES so you have it when you go see that Doctor. The test is fast so if it comes out positive, he can then do that injection at the same time without further delay.

If negative your out of the woods, so save that vaccine and keep it in the refrigerator. It has other good uses which I can tell you later.

I will be on line, because right now I am talking to experts at the Mayo Clinic because we are very close to having the cure for MS. Working on making the serum.

I will be watching for your posts.