[terri46355]

My 4 yr old Shih Tzu was attacked by something the other night (probably coyote). Her eyes have a pus discharge from them. She had diarrhea, so we bathed her the following day. Most of her injuries seem to be in her abdominal area. She is bruised, scraped, and weak. We gave her and the other adult dogs 5-way vaccines 2 days after the attack. She had a rabies vaccine in 2006.

From what I've read giving her the distemper vaccine up to 4 days after the attack should prevent it and rabies vaccines are good for 3 years.

If she was exposed to distemper will the vaccine prevent her puppies from getting sick?

[Daveyo]

First you need to get your dog to the VET and have it examine the dog for its injuries. From there I strongly do suggest the VET check for any Rabies signs. Yes animals can catch rabies even vaccinated if that coyote had a different strain. It is possible your dog has internal bleeding. So rush the dog and yourself to the VET now. If that dog has a different strain of Rabies, come back here and I will tell you how to possibly save your dog from that death sentence. There is a small window to stop it.

Distemper has nothing to do with it right now. If your dog catches Distemper make sure you contact me here because there is a cure both for the body and the CNS. (Central Nervous System) Full 99% cure.

NO you do not give vaccines to this dog at all. You will cause a immune problem because this dog is already injured and maybe sick too.

Any animal getting a vaccine shot, the protection from that shot will not take effect until between 14 to 21 days and this is to be given only to healthy dogs. Who ever gave you that information of 4 days is DEAD WRONG.

What are you trying to do, kill your dog???

If you don't believe me write to jnz here or in the cat forum FIPV and ask him who I am.

Daveyo

[terri46355]

Thank you. I took her to the vet and he gave her antibiotics and pain pills. She is still sore, but getting up and around. She is eating and drinking. The vet said he would give her a rabies shot in a week or two when she is better.

[Daveyo]

Wrong again. No you do not give a Rabies shot in two weeks. What you do is have the dog TESTED for any Rabies FIRST. If negative then you wait one week and then give a Rabies shot ONLY when that dog is healed up and HEALTHY.

You do not give it now while it is on antibiotics.

Please pay attention to what I am telling you. In the meantime keep that dog inside and watch it carefully. If the dog does have Rabies sometimes it will show up 2 months later. I strongly do suggest you read up on about Rabies and get some knowledge of it. Rabies does not come on right away. It is a slow but sure process, and its primary target is the BRAIN of the animal. Immune response antibodies to Rabies begin to show up by the third week from time of the bite.

If it does have it, a Rabies vaccine shot will not cure this dog. Death is imminent. There is no cure for Rabies if the dog gets it and was not vaccinated prior to catching it. Understand this well. Now if that dog was already vaccinated prior to that bite like two or three weeks earlier, then it has protection.

So right now your in the gray area. Big question is if the dog is infected or not. You will not know this until about 3 weeks after the bite and the test is done and it comes out either positive or negative. If negative your out of the woods and then you can vaccinate it. If positive, time to say goodbye to your dog. Don't let it get that far the disease. I have seen dogs infected with Rabies and it is very dangerous. Trust me.

Keep me posted.

Daveyo

[Delpuprescue]

I am part of a rescue organization in Delaware. We brought up a pregnant mom from GA who gave birth to 7 puppies 6 weeks ago. When the pups were about 2.5 weeks old the mom spiked a high temperature, started coughing, painful, etc. At the time we were not sure exactly what the problem was but she was vetted and was released 2 days later doing much better. Her pups than started with weeping eyes and to date we have had to put down four of the 7 due to ongoing symptoms (respiratory, seizures, etc). They have all been on antibiotics, fluids. The other three, now 6 weeks old are eating on their own and playing almost like normal pups now. My question - have we seen the last of the distemper or can symptoms continue to come back over the next month or so? We have dealt many times with parvo but this is our first distemper experience.

[Daveyo]

Hi Delpuprescue

I am Daveyo. You have not given much information here. First lets start with the mother of the pups, what is her age, and vaccination history???

You mention the temp spiked up on the mother. Did she get a vaccination shot while pregnant??? If she did that is a big No No!!!!!!!! Never vaccinate a pregnant female and never vaccinate while weaning either until the mother is done giving milk to the pups. Usually this is around 8-9 weeks after birth and most times you can vaccinate on the third month since birth.

Did you by any chance get an autopsy of at least one of the expired pups??? If you still can do it, get that Autopsy NOW!!!!!!

If not, I strongly do suggest you do this method both on the mother and on the pups in question that are still surviving > it is as follows

The very best test for rapidly diagnosing ACUTE distemper is to do what is called a brush border smear of the cells of the inside lining of the bladder. These cells ALWAYS have inclusions. So, easy to collect, easy to stain (quick dip) and instantly diagnosed with inclusions in these cells which are carmine red and para nuclear.

Any medical person can tell you how to get cells from the bladder. Urinary catheter. Empty bladder flush with saline and collect some of the last saline. Spin down the saline and remove the cells. Place on slide and dry stain with diff-quick. Very common stain used by most medics or lab people who use medical microscopy. Everyone? I should hope so. Very fast, very cheap, very accurate for Dx of distemper. If present then Distemper. If negative then either kennel cough or respiratory Herpes or Toxoplasmosis.

What your going to see here is the actual virus that will be in the bladder urine once this urine is broken down. Since the pups are or were weaned they have not gotten the shots yet, I would think at this point of time, you would see it if it is positive. We have had many cases of dogs being fully vaccinated getting Distemper. How???? From the vaccine itself especially if mixed with Parvo vaccine. The drug manufacturers know about this problem but do not want the public to know.



To answer your question it is hard to say right now, 50-50 depending on that test result. The test I gave you is 100% accurate. Has not failed us once after testing over 600 plus dogs.

One thing for sure you have given me some indications here pointing to Distemper but not enough to be conclusive. Other secondary symptoms will be showing quite shortly if they have it like goop in the eyes, nasal discharge, hardening of the pads, and very low WBC counts, withdrawal symptoms, soupy poo and pneumonia which always accompanies Distemper without fail.

If those pups have the disease they are not yet barely old enough to take on NDV, but can take the serum only if it is confirmed because either the NDV or the serum will kill the virus without a doubt both in the body and in the CNS. In pups the serum only in the body, and NDV in the CNS. To avoid it breaching the blood brain barrier, you must catch the disease from onset to 6 days out. If they have it they will have a fever hitting near 106 degrees lasting for about 3 days. After that, the disease starts to work. After day 6 the virus will enter the CNS via the lung route and it breaches the barrier.

Only the Serum works on pups younger than 10 weeks of age. When they get closer to three months then the NDV can be used.

Now if they are getting the milk (again big question of whether or not the mother was vaccinated fully before pregnancy or got the vaccine during the pregnancy) the surviving pups based on your notes here appear to be protected by the mothers antibodies. The exposure to the animal diseases climbs rapidly once the weaning stops usually about 7 days after they stop and the mothers antibodies decline rapidly as well. So many variables come into play right now until you give me more information concerning the mother of the pups.

To make sure you understand something. Kennel cough and respiratory herpes can be cured with antibiotics but it is very slow and hard to get rid of it. NDV on the other hand cures the dog in less than 24 hours. Only problem is you can use NDV just one time for the body and only one time for the CNS. After this point, no more and your lifesaving option is used up for your emergency.

For me, I use NDV as a last resort and only if the Serum is not available. If serum is available then I would do this first because it can kill all the other diseases without a problem and it is multi-usable. NDV is only a one shot deal both for the body and the CNS. The only difference is the cure rate time wise and the amounts. NDV cures inside 24 hours, and the serum cures in around 36 - 72 hours depending on the genetics of the animal. You need more cc of the serum than of NDV. Last of all NDV is pure vaccine, whereas Serum is Antibodies made and extracted from a healthy fully vaccinated animal of multi mixed breed and is less than 1 year old and given NDV to create the specific antibodies that kill all the viruses even for pups.

In comparison of the cytokine storms created the NDV is huge and very fast whereas the Serum is about half of what the NDV gives out but does the very same thing, and has the same effect results as NDV.

To answer your question> """""""have we seen the last of the distemper or can symptoms continue to come back over the next month or so?"""""""" Only that test I gave you can tell you your answer to the question. If it being positive > yes and you will see more of it and worse too, if negative no more distemper is present. Never place a bet on Canine Distemper, believe me because I know this disease very well inside and out.

Distemper cannot be cured by antibiotics at all. This is a deadly virus and a very dangerous virus to animals. In fact Distemper is a MEASLES VIRUS, the very same thing humans get and the very same disease that humans have regarding Multiple Sclerosis. Antibiotics can cure pneumonia (Baytril combined with Penicillin G) and Kennel Cough, Respiratory Herpes but takes awhile for it to work.

NDV also works on humans too even though it is designed for chickens. go figure and Dr. Sears and I figured this all out and have a cabinet full of cases of proven results and it can cure the same disease that Senator Edward Kennedy has now, and also cures certain forms of cancer one of them stomach cancer. More discoveries are being made as time moves on regarding of its potential.

I myself have two dogs with confirmed acute Canine Distemper, and one of them became completely paralyzed in early December of 2007 and the other having full blown ODE seizures same time as well. Today the paralyzed dog is now running around, and the other the seizures have abated and receding over time and I used NDV both for the body and the CNS!!!!!! I also made a few discoveries along with my attempt regarding the CNS back in November of 2007!!!!!

I see you have dealt with Parvo. We have a cure for Parvo and it is less than 3 days total. If the animal gets Parvo and Distemper at the same time > forget it all animals expire full 100% and there is nothing we can do to save them unless you catch it within the first 24 hour period.

I have one question for you. Have you seen Parvo F strain yet in your area??????? I understand that it has hit the eastern seaboard of USA at current time. If you get any dogs infected with Parvo F the dogs will die in less than 12 hours. There is no cure and steriliztion of the area is a absolute must to prevent it spreading.

Since you said your getting a lot of Parvo, you need to first do just three things. Parvo gets on shoes, and clothes of humans and on paws of dogs and on the skin. Also the equipment and the floor as well. Parvo will devastate the bone marrow almost completely. Nupogen is the only drug known to bring back up the WBC.

Get all the animals out of there and split apart any dog that was infected by parvo or has it,because Parvo is very contagious and the shedding of a prior infected dog aggravates the current situation.

Two you must put on sterile disposable clothing that can be burned once used and clean out the place with full water and bleach solution 1/30 ratio. Strong bleach kills the virus, as well as sunlight. All cages, floor and utensils anything that the dogs were on has to be cleaned out completely with that bleach.

Third then you must wait minimum of 3 weeks before you can move any NON INFECTED animal back inside that place to ensure yourself that the place is rid of parvo for good. Any infected or prior infected animal MUST BE KEPT OUT and in another different place away from clean unvaccinated dogs.

Parvo sheds for one month. So wear protective clothing when handling them. The same for Distemper animals as well. The virus is also airborne and contact type disease. That is why it is nasty, and it can infect another animal 20 miles away!!!!!!!!!


Also too much bleach is toxic to any dog. So remember that OK. After the area has been bleached, wash it out with good clean water at least two times.

Liquid bleach kills viruses on contact instantly. It is the only known chemical that works so darn well but you cannot put this inside the dog or even a human. Sunlight is the other one but takes a full day of sunshine to do the same thing as bleach.

Let me know about that mother and background history. Ok

Daveyo

[Delpuprescue]

Hi Daveyo,
Thank you for all your information. To answer back some of your questions.
The mom came from a shelter in GA. No history on her and I strongly suspect she had no vaccinations prior to arriving to the shelter.
She was not given any vaccinations other than rabies when she was pregnant.
We have done blood counts on the pups and they have all been extremely low. The pups that have already passed did have the hardening of the paw pads, discharge from eyes and nose and stomach pain. The catch is they never developed fevers.
None of the remaining pups have shown any neurological signs of distemper but went through a day or two period of not eating and lethargic but came back quickly to normal puppy levels.
My belief is that the mom had been exposed to distemper in the shelter (very common in GA), came down with it because she was not vaccinated and than passed onto her pups who had no immunity because she had no immunity to pass onto them.
I am going to ask my vet to do the bladder sweep on one of the pups to see if anything comes up.
What is the serum you are referring to in your email? My concern is that it's been more than six days since they initially showed signs of being sick. Is it too late and we just need to wait and see if symptoms develop?
Regarding parvo - lots of experience here with parvo. We typically support the pups with IV fluids, use Baytril, Anzemet, Metronidozal and Tamiflu. At extreme times we will also use hemoglobin.
What is your Parvo protocal?

[Daveyo]

Hi Delpuprescue ;

Thanks for telling me that information. It is much better for me to respond with a bit more accuracy.

Ok mistake one was giving the Rabies while pregnant. Watch the pups carefully because Rabies can give complications to the pups. Before giving the pups any Rabies shots, get a titer check on the remaining pups to see if they have any levels in them already. OK

Fevers only come at onset of the symptoms lasting only 3 days and then no more. It appears obviously those pups were well underway with the disease about a good 20 days give or take since the pads are a clear indication itself.

You will not see any neurological signs until the later stages of the disease about day 25 on to near day 30. Be watchful for the signs of goop in the eyes and or nasal discharges and hardening of the pads. Right now I am betting they have Distemper since it does pass from one pup to another and the fact that they are together in a tight knit group and this disease is quick to jump from one to another that is not vaccinated. Just breathing the air from an infected pup next to each other is all it takes.

Yes, I do believe it is way beyond day 6 right now. The surviving pups are probably around day 15 give or take. You probably will be seeing some signs shortly. The few days of not eating and being lethargic is common in Distemper and it does give false indications that say hey this dog is going to be fine and then bingo. It is an up and down cycle.

If the CBC is low, I would guess without seeing the WBC it also has to be low too. This means the bone marrow is being attacked by the disease right now.

Ok the serum is what you need to make and you need to make it very quickly.

Here is how you make it and remember the precise hour is most critical and that is between the 11th and 12th hour. Only inside this one hour time frame is this serum any good when you extract it from the good dog. OK.

Here is the Dx to make the Serum: And everything following this. So it will be long here.

Procedures for making serum
1. Dog- use a 10-12 month old mixed breed dog 60-100 lbs, young and healthy.
2. Do full lab work up to eliminate all possible health problems. Especially blood born diseases.
3. Must be fully Vaccinated against all local diseases.
4. Do not use breeds or individuals known to have immune deficiency problems.
5. Make up Newcastle virus vaccine 1000 dose vial. (Use only 6 cc of diluent. Discard balance.) La Sota strain. Other strains of this virus should work as well. This virus is your cell immunity inducer.
6. Place IV Catheter in dog.
7. Inject 3cc of Newcastle virus I.V. from your vaccine bottle into the blood vein of the dog. (. Treat dog with I.V fluids accordingly if needed) (Do Not use Corticosteroids)
8. Induction of Newcastle’s disease virus for cellular immune serum (cytokines) may only be done once on any dog. The second time around only antibodies to Newcastle’s disease are produced. These are of no use.
9, Timing is essential for taking serum against distemper. Take blood 11-12 hours post injection (11-12 hrs post injection= Anti-viral factors=Very effective against Distemper Virus in VIVO.) Timing is important. Interferon,antiviral,regulatory,anti-inflammatory cytokines all have different times of production.
10. All procedures must be sterile. 11-12 hours post injection anesthetize donor dog prior to the 11th hour.
11. Place Jugular catheter.
12. Start I.V fluids.
13. Withdraw blood between the 11th and 12th hour and inject into 10cc blood vials [sterile no additive vials] and allow the blood to clot.
14. Centrifuge immediately after clotting for clear serum. Do not allow RBC’s to lyse.
15. Remove serum and place into sterile bottles.
16. Place serum bottles in baggies and store in refrigerator. Bottles of serum can be stored for up to five years in a refrigerator.
17. Cryo-precipitates may form after refrigeration. Mixing causes clouding. This is not harmful.
18. May be filtered out with a .02micron filter. Keep sterile.
19. All my doner dogs have survived. I have not lost any.

Distemper types
1. Young un-vaccinated dogs, or dogs from pounds. Pound dogs will show up 7 days after release. Dogs with all the recognizable symptoms i.e. pneumonia, catarrh, fever, diarrhea, collapse, inclusions in bladder. Elevated antidistemper IgG, IgM . In some cases from pound dogs there may be no titers. i.e. less than 1/5 IgG and IgM. Usually these dogs will have very high titers when checked 2 weeks later. These ARE distemper cases and should be treated even though previously vaccinated.
1 a Some labs will return an IgG of l/350 whether vaccinated or not, sick or not. So if this titer comes back from lab, ignore it, it is not valid.
2. Mild nondescript diseases shows transient signs often not recognized in early stages, quick recovery, can be confused with kennel cough. The secondary symptoms appear later. I.E. chorea, demyelination, hard pad, nasal symptoms, pneumonia, ocular symptoms K/S and old dog encephalitis. See 4 a.
3. New Form of Distemper. Relatively rare- older adult dog fully vaccinated multiple times. Breaks with some symptoms of distemper, the exposure factor unknown-possible wild species exposure. May be new strain of distemper.
4. Vaccine induced type- no pneumonia, no inclusions in body, seizures, and inclusions in brain. No other pathology found upon autopsy. Elisa tests for Distemper antibody of CSF (+), No inclusions in the bladder, no inclusions in conjunctiva.
Do not use Distemper /Hepatitis/ Parvo combination Vaccines. Some dogs suffer from distemper inclusion encephalitis. No treatment that I know of available. Must use NDV in this case. See 4 a.
4. a A new medication used in human MS may help in distemper neuro cases. IE chorea, seizures. Fingolimod. (fty 720) produced by Novartis. Not available to the public and not released at current time. Currently as of November 2007 this part has changed since other discoverys have taken place.
5. New and unusual distemper type seen, has negative IgG and IgM antibodies. Serum controls this form very effectively if recognized and treated early.
6. Respiratory Herpes virus may mimic distemper. Serum will control this disease.
7. Distemper and Herpes always have a fever (> 102 f plus ) kennel cough usually has no fever.

Serum Treatment Rx for dogs and Pups

Treatment for types 1-2-3. Give lcc serum per 10 pounds plus 1 cc per animal. Three treatments every twelve hours subcutaneously for 3 total treatments. For example 20 lb dog 2 cc + 1 cc Give 3 cc each treatment. Give antibiotics for one week to control secondary symptoms of bacterial pneumonia. I have had best results with 2 separate antibiotics simultaneously used for the duration of the pneumonia. Baytril and Penicilling G. Give fluids to control dehydration on initial presentation.

Special Note: Do not use for Pups. Only for dogs of 3 months or older as given below.

In desperate circumstances, in the absence of available serum, Newcastles’s vaccine can be injected IV, directly into sick dogs. If they are not already severally immune compromised by the distemper virus they can respond and recover from distemper. The dose for this is 1.0cc of mixture per 10 lbs of dog or 0.1cc per pound. Given only once. For those Vets concerned about themselves or staff, this virus has no deleterious effects on people. Use with sterile technique. Does not make the recipient animal ill.

For abdominal pox in pups with distemper Vitamin A may help reduce scarring.

Results
Complete cessation of all symptoms of distemper in 12-48 hours. Except for secondary bacterial pneumonia which must be treated for at least 7 or more days with a combined mix of Baytril and Penicillin G every 12 hours or twice a day.

Opinion
It has been my observation that animals treated early do not have secondary neurologic or other symptoms, except pneumonia.

I would recommend all dogs suspected of distemper have full white cell count, lab work. Run antidistemper antibody IgG, IgM to confirm distemper. See 1 a above.

An additional very good test to confirm distemper, do a brush border slide of the bladder transitional epithelium. Stain with Dif-Quick. About 90% of the bladder cells will be positive for inclusions in the early stages of distemper. Rarely inclusions can be seen in the red cells. I have never seen inclusions in the conjunctiva. An IFA test of the conjunctiva to test for inclusions is available. I have no experience with this test. It is best to initiate all the tests and then give serum immediately. Don’t wait for test results to come back. Time is of the essence. Wait for the test results after treating. If wrong no adverse reactions if right you are ahead of the game for stopping the distemper virus.

Dogs can be treated later in the disease, after 5 to 6 days, but the serum will NOT undo viral damage that has already taken place inside the CNS. It is therefore best to treat in the early stages, or with the first acute symptoms. However if given the NDV in the CNS, the virus will be stopped and eradicated, and the ODE will be vacated and the control of the deadly C-4 T cells will commence stopping any further progression and damage to the Myelin and Schwann Cells in the cerebral area and nerve connections.
Dogs already showing neurologic effects of the distemper virus cannot be helped with serum, since this has not been attempted or tried as of June 2008 regarding the CNS. Only NDV can help them and eliminate the virus. See 4 a above.

Dogs after day 6 of which the virus enters the CNS only one available treatment to cure the animals and prevent the neurological damage from progressing further which leads to imminent death. NDV in the CNS will not repair the previous damage and it is up to the animal and its genetics to repair itself as the NDV controlled and stopped the progression completely.




NEUROLOGIC DISTEMPER all forms (ODE—Old Dog Encephalitis.)

This Medical Protocol covers Neurologic forms of Distemper which include Chorea, Seizures, Progressive Paralysis, Blindness,. This medical protocol pertains to Dogs of all ages who ARE infected with the neurologic forms of distemper. The Neurological symptoms may appear in some dogs as soon as 2 weeks and in others as long as 8 years after infection. In the past any of these symptoms as noted above resulted in progressive and imminent death

A New treatment has been developed that has been partially 90% successful in dogs with all the above symptoms most particularly Seizures and Paralysis and Blindness : Chorea still pending.

So far two dogs now are symptom free after 8 Mos. This Does not replace lost neural tracts. I have only used this on 2 dogs to date, plus others from my partner in Thailand. Any further use of this procedure is purely experimental. This medical protocol will be updated and or revised as more information becomes available. As of June 2008, the results so far is extremely very good and it has been a success and if any VET who attempts to do this procedure you can do so with confidence as this is the only known procedure that will achieve the goal with absolute certainity in giving the animal a definite positive second chance in life. We know of no other way and we have also discovered that this method has many side benefits as well favoring not only the dog but for humans as well.

Newcastle’s Disease Virus ---is the inducer that will interfere with and stop the immune disorder causing neurologic damage in the canine. I have used the La Sorta strain only because it has been available. 1000 dose bottles with 6 cc of dilutent is your inducer. This material can be purchased at any agricultural store that deals with poultry.


INSTRUCTIONS FOR VET DOING A CSF TAP PROCEDURE TO INJECT THE NDV TO DOG - PLEASE SEE THE CHART BELOW.

THIS PROCEDURE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WEIGHT OF THE ANIMAL. IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE SIZE OF THE ANIMAL. THE WEIGHT FORMULA INVOLVES ONLY THE BODY INJECTION OF NDV.

Make sure you have the I.V. Fluids flowing, and give the dog ANTI-SHOCK MEDS to prevent phenolic shock, anesthetic to get the dog sleeping, a Cather and 2 needles plus 1 vial of NDV with the sterile solution and one empty sealable sterile vial.

Prepare animal by shaving the required area of the hair at the back lower part below the skull and in the middle where the spine meets the stem, and sterilize the same area. Make sure the animal is definitely sleeping and does not move at all.

1. Place the needle in the Foramen Magnum (the large hole at the base of the skull where the spinal cord stem is located) (cerebral cranial cavity) . Please note being a VET you should know where this is.

2. Remove the required CNS fluid and LEAVE NEEDLE IN PLACE. This makes room for further injections. (SEE CHART BELOW)

3. Out of that required CNS fluid, discard some of this CNS fluid and or SAVE IT IN ANOTHER STERILE VIAL TO HAVE SUCH LAB TESTS DONE ON IT LATER ON TO CONFIRM SPECIFIC DISTEMPER ANTIBODIES at Antech Labs in USA, AND REFRIGERATE IMMEDIATELY.

4. Leave the remaining required CNS fluid in the needle syringe and then add the required amount of NDV (and a touch more to remove any air) into this same CNS fluid syringe and mix it together. Then inject the mixture of NDV and CNS fluid back to the animal via the needle hub previously in place.

5. SPECIAL NOTE: MAKE SURE THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO AIR IN THE NEEDLE OR SYRINGE BEFORE INJECTING BACK THE NDV/CNS FLUID OR WHEN YOU FLUSH THE NEEDLE HUB WITH THE SALINE BACK INTO THE SPINAL CANAL .

6. Then flush THE NEEDLE HUB of 0.1cc of Saline (APPLIES TO ALL SIZES OF THE ANIMAL except for pups) so all the NDV goes into the spinal area and not be left in the hub of the needle. Then withdraw the needles out of the spinal area carefully and sterilize the puncture area to prevent infection at point of entry.

7. Some of this fluid will enter the Brain itself. No need to worry. THIS WILL NOT CAUSE A PROBLEM.

8. If the dog was not given the anti-shock meds prior to doing this procedure, phenolic shock will occur IMMEDIATELY after the injection. (It goes with a foreign substance (NDV virus inducer) being injected into the neural tissue. Expected but not a problem. TREAT FOR THE SHOCK IMMEDIATELY WITH SALINE.

HERE IS THE CSF TAP CHART FOR THE DOGS BASED ON THEIR SIZES:

Toy dogs get 0.1cc of NDV for CSF tap> take out 0.3cc fluid, leave 0.1cc in syringe, discard 0.2cc, then add 0.1cc NDV, mix and then inject, then plus 0.1cc saline to flush hub from another syringe by itself.

Small dogs get 0.2cc NDV for CSF tap > take out 0.5cc fluid leave 0.2cc in syringe, discard 0.3cc, then add 0.2cc NDV mix and then inject, then plus 0.1cc saline to flush hub from another syringe by itself.

Medium dogs get 0.3cc NDV for CSF tap> take out 0.7cc fluid leave 0.3cc in syringe, discard 0.4cc, add 0.3cc NDV, mix and then inject, then plus 0.1cc saline to flush hub from another syringe by itself.

Large dogs get 0.4cc NDV for CSF tap> take out 0.9cc fluid, leave 0.4cc in syringe, discard 0.5cc, then add 0.4cc NDV, mix and then inject, then plus 0.1cc saline to flush hub from another syringe by itself .

Giant dogs get 0.5cc of NDV for CSF tap> take out 1.1cc fluid, leave 0.5cc in syringe, discard 0.6cc, then add 0.5cc NDV, mix and then inject, then plus 0.1cc of saline to flush hub from another syringe by itself.

For pups use the toy size but half or a quarter of the Dx depending on the age of the pup.
A. If pup is more than 2 months but less than 3 months use half formula of toy dog
B. If pup is more than 1 month but less than 2 months use only a quarter of toy dog.
Example:
A> gets 0.05cc of NDV for CSF tap> take out 0.1cc fluid, leave 0.030cc in syringe, discard 0.070cc, then add 0.050cc NDV, mix and then inject, then plus 0.020cc saline to flush needle hub.

B> gets 0.025cc of NDV for CSF tap> take out 0.050 fluid, leave 0.015cc in syringe, discard 0.035cc, then add 0.025cc of NDV, mix and then inject, then plus 0.010cc saline to flush needle hub.


9. The dog will recover from the shock if it was not given the anti-shock meds prior to the tap if treated properly, and after the shock or after the procedure itself, Sterile the puncture at the Foramen Magnum, and you can remove the I.V Fluids after it wakes up, and let the dog rest and wait until it gets up on its own. Takes about an hour or a little less. Once the dog gets up it is safe for you to release it back to the owner and do give the following advisories to your client so they understand what to expect and what is involved.

9A. Do advise the owner the cure will take between 24-36 hours (average 24 hours) of which the NDV will stop the progression of the of the active C4 T-cells of further destruction, and it also will kill the Distemper Virus in the CNS and vacates the ODE and the dog will survive.

Send saved spinal fluid for Anti-Distemper Antibodies in the CSF to Antech Labs in USA>. Any Distemper Antibody found is totally diagnostic for Neurologic Distemper.
Other tests to be deemed necessary by the attending Veterinarian. Toxoplasmosis???



This is it. Now you have it all and I wish you good luck. Most importantly you must do and follow exactly what is written here as instructed. Any deviation from our test results, lab work and field results you will be heading to the unknown that we do not have a record of.

Daveyo

PS> Welcome to the world of medicine. Isn't it fun???