[Ginny1070]

My puppy may have distemper and is being treated already by a vet with antibiotics for the respitory issue. I took him as soon as he got "cold symptoms". He's 9 weeks old and has had his first series of shots, but not his second. He came from an animal shelter. He's got the calouses on his nose, which I know means dehydration, and the runny nose and the green nose mucus (which happened three days after he was already on antibiotics) and he is still running a fever but he is drinking and eating well still. I try to keep his nose and eyes clean by using virgin oil to wipe them both so that it doesnt irritate his skin. Today he seems completely lethargic and isn't playing as much as he has been in prior days, bowel movements are inconsistent from slightly solid to diareah. I have been disinfecting the house regularly so that the virus isn't lingering around the house. Having already taken him to the vets (and yes I am taking him again tomorrow because I feel I need to) should I feed him differently? Give him Pedialyte and maybe vitamin C tablets? I know the fatality rate is high, I just want to make sure I have done everything I can to help my baby get through this and possibly survive it.
Thank you.

[cbw3099]

This sounds exactly like what was happening to our shelter dog. Your best line of action is to get the animal to the vet, the sooner the better. I wish you better luck that what we had.

[Daveyo]

Hi CBW

Your dog definitely has all the clinical signs of Distemper. Please find NDV ASAP and give him the body shot. You will need to go to my site and get the Dx and also there is a NDV locator where you can get it direct. The site is [moderator note: website address has been removed]. Drop me a fast note once you get there and I will do my best to help you out. Right now you are in the early stages and now obviously past day 6. Had you given the shot prior to day 6 when the symptoms began, you could have avoided the disease entering the CNS. It is now in the CNS and you need to have the NDV-CSF tap to be done to keep the damage to bare minimum ASAP. So do the body injection first and then wait 72 hours and then do the CSF tap and you should be out of the woods for the most part concerning the disease. In the meantime you have to also treat for pneumonia for 7 days of Baytril of 0.5cc and Penicillin G of 1.0cc twice a day every 12 hours.

After this do not give that dog any distemper vaccine or any modified live Parvo shot ever. You can give the killed parvo shot but only do this after 6 months have past and that your dog is healthy OK.

After you give the NDV in the body and in the CNS you cannot use this at all again. You can use the serum for the other diseases.

Stay in touch OK

Will be watching for you

Daveyo

[Ginny1070]

Daveyo,
I am the original poster, I think you confused me with the second poster. And please, I mean no disrespect to you at all, but my vet has 30 years experience and has done thousands and thousands of hours of research in distemper and rabies in hopes to someday find a cure and says if there was a cure for distemper, the Boards of Veterinarian medicine in every state would be letting vets know nationwide about the cure. He also explained to me that the CDC would be jumping all over it as well because humans can get the distemper virus if they haven't been innoculated against measles and that the CDC is also very involved in finding a cure for the distemper virus as people are prone to it if they have not been innoculated yet or they have a weakened immune system. So I took it a step further and contacted an associate with the CDC as well because my animals are like my children, I research my doctors and any techniques and medicines my children may require, I ask questions and want answers, I do that with my animals as well. So after I read your forums, I did extensive research on you and your "cure" because I was hoping that if my baby DID have distemper there would be hope. The CDC associate said he definitely wanted to read through this forum so I gave him the url to do so. So though I don't doubt you believe you have done something great, I do not trust in your cure because nobody on the board of veterinarians nor the CDC has even heard of it. My puppy ended up having nothing more then a respitory infection as we learned he had been innoculated against distemper and parvo with two seperate vaccinations rather then an all in one when he was very young and that probably built up his immunity. He was placed in a shelther simply because he was the runt and the breeder didn't feel he could be sold. (Thats sad upon itself really) My vet explained the second "booster" shot is simply as a back up just in case an immunity was not built up with the first vaccination. I sent him to these forums and he said this "cure" has absolutely no credentials linked to it that he can find listed in the many places he has access to that the general public does not. He wants to know where you went to school to get your MD and where your partner did as well.
My puppy has well surpassed the period where he should be showing any kinds of nervous issues and he has no signs of dehydration nor has his eating habits changed at all. He was possibly exposed to the distemper virus when he was three weeks old. And the other dog that had possible distemper didn't have it either and is fine and acting like a normal 6 month old puppy now that he was properly treated for kennel cough and parasites.

On that note my Vet explained to me that what you are telling people to do is very dangerous to the health of a puppy. It can cause severe paralysis or even death and he said you can just tell people that it was the distemper and it was too late to cure and get away with it. He told me to inform people to do just as I have seen another poster do, ask questions, ask for credentials and ask for as much information as you can get your hands on before you even think about giving your animal any kind of treatment that is not government approved. He said to understand that ANYBODY can pose as a doctor, a lawyer or anything they want to be on the internet and that people should treat their animals health as they would their own and research and ask questions.

Daveyo,
As I said, I mean you no disrespect. I wouldn't take my child in for a procedure that no other doctors knew anything about and that even the medical board for those doctors knew nothing about based solely on someone saying in a forum, "I am a doctor and I have a cure." And really, would you? In my research I called 38 veterinarian offices in this state and in the state I moved here from and not one of them has ever heard of this and all said it sounded extremely dangerous. That was enough for me to say, I don't think so. But with that said, I hope that you are headed in the right direction and that you can get whatever you may have found approved so that if it IS real, and people DO do research, it will be something that your medical boards and the CDC will know about.

[Daveyo]

[quote="Ginny1070"]Daveyo,
I am the original poster, I think you confused me with the second poster. And please, I mean no disrespect to you at all, but my vet has 30 years experience and has done thousands and thousands of hours of research in distemper and rabies in hopes to someday find a cure and says if there was a cure for distemper, the Boards of Veterinarian medicine in every state would be letting vets know nationwide about the cure. He also explained to me that the CDC would be jumping all over it as well because humans can get the distemper virus if they haven't been innoculated against measles and that the CDC is also very involved in finding a cure for the distemper virus as people are prone to it if they have not been innoculated yet or they have a weakened immune system. So I took it a step further and contacted an associate with the CDC as well because my animals are like my children, I research my doctors and any techniques and medicines my children may require, I ask questions and want answers, I do that with my animals as well. So after I read your forums, I did extensive research on you and your "cure" because I was hoping that if my baby DID have distemper there would be hope. The CDC associate said he definitely wanted to read through this forum so I gave him the url to do so. So though I don't doubt you believe you have done something great, I do not trust in your cure because nobody on the board of veterinarians nor the CDC has even heard of it. My puppy ended up having nothing more then a respitory infection as we learned he had been innoculated against distemper and parvo with two seperate vaccinations rather then an all in one when he was very young and that probably built up his immunity. He was placed in a shelther simply because he was the runt and the breeder didn't feel he could be sold. (Thats sad upon itself really) My vet explained the second "booster" shot is simply as a back up just in case an immunity was not built up with the first vaccination. I sent him to these forums and he said this "cure" has absolutely no credentials linked to it that he can find listed in the many places he has access to that the general public does not. He wants to know where you went to school to get your MD and where your partner did as well.
My puppy has well surpassed the period where he should be showing any kinds of nervous issues and he has no signs of dehydration nor has his eating habits changed at all. He was possibly exposed to the distemper virus when he was three weeks old. And the other dog that had possible distemper didn't have it either and is fine and acting like a normal 6 month old puppy now that he was properly treated for kennel cough and parasites.

On that note my Vet explained to me that what you are telling people to do is very dangerous to the health of a puppy. It can cause severe paralysis or even death and he said you can just tell people that it was the distemper and it was too late to cure and get away with it. He told me to inform people to do just as I have seen another poster do, ask questions, ask for credentials and ask for as much information as you can get your hands on before you even think about giving your animal any kind of treatment that is not government approved. He said to understand that ANYBODY can pose as a doctor, a lawyer or anything they want to be on the internet and that people should treat their animals health as they would their own and research and ask questions.

Daveyo,
As I said, I mean you no disrespect. I wouldn't take my child in for a procedure that no other doctors knew anything about and that even the medical board for those doctors knew nothing about based solely on someone saying in a forum, "I am a doctor and I have a cure." And really, would you? In my research I called 38 veterinarian offices in this state and in the state I moved here from and not one of them has ever heard of this and all said it sounded extremely dangerous. That was enough for me to say, I don't think so. But with that said, I hope that you are headed in the right direction and that you can get whatever you may have found approved so that if it IS real, and people DO do research, it will be something that your medical boards and the CDC will know about.[/quote]

Hi Ginny

Well, this story you just posted above is completely different from your first post dated on March1st. So why would you want to change it now???

Secondly, Respiratory Herpes and Kennel cough mimics Distemper. So therefore there is a specific test to confirm if it is Distemper and that is getting a smear of the inside of the bladder lining. Using dip quick can confirm. If the test shows bright carmin red color, that itself confirms the disease is present, if not then it is not distemper. This test is 100% accurate.

Third, I have 3 dogs presently with me who did have Canine Distemper, and it was (repeat was) confirmed. 2 of them went into full ODE one having seizures and the other completely paralyzed. The third dog I caught within the 6 day window. This was back in October of 2007, and the 2 dogs having full ODE had the NDV CSF tap done in early November of 2007. I have legitimate proof myself concerning my own dogs. Today, the one who was completely paralyzed is walking, and the one who had full blown seizures is fine and still doing great. Surely your VET with over 30 years experience will tell you any dog having full blown seizures or full blown paralysis coming from Canine Distemper is a guaranteed death sentence and those dogs will be dead within 10 days or less once it begins.

Fourth, the cure for the CNS only came out in Nov, of 2007. Dr. Sears who has well over 600 + cases of saved dogs. Right now since the CNS came out, I have a total of 10 saved.

Fifth, of course it is not in the Journals yet as we meaning Dr. Sears and I have been trying for a very long time to get some smart interested enough to get into the research and provide the final answers why NDV cures animals of Canine Distemper. These are the facts, NDV creates a cytokine storm to the immune system and it turns off the deadly t-cells which was destroying the myelin and schwann cells in the nervous system. It also resets the auto immune system to instruct the deadly t-cells to attack the virus instead of the good cells which the virus attaches itself by changing its genetics.

Also your VET should know how resilent Canine Distemper is being so resistant to being stopped and it also can go into stealth mode as well.

The cure is 24 hours both for the body and for the CNS.

Granted I am not explaining much here but being brief synoptic wise. Ok.

I am the first person who broke the CNS barrier and beat this disease officially. This discovery took place much earlier by a person named Dr. Adams and Dr. Sears was present at that time, but all of Dr. Adams work disappeared. Dr. Sears ventured doing many dog owners a service in his dedication to saving dogs while all the self doubters being VETS and the Smarts were letting dogs die of this disease left and right. They even told us we were doing Voodoo in spite of showing clear and convincing evidence that this medical cure is authentic and genuine and it simply saves dogs their life.

My dogs definitely would have been dead back in November of 2007 if I did not do that procedure and followed the protocol of the original tester from Dr. Adams. Fortunately Dr. Sears, kept it alive and he has a tremendous track record of success.

CDC are you kidding. They are the last group interested in cures!!!!!

Let me give you a small idea of what is involved. It costs about 40,000 dollars a month just to have a researcher get into the NDV aspects to find out how and what cytokines were made to stop this virus cold turkey dead on its tracks. Estimated it will take about a good year before they finish up their research to give us the final answers that we have been seeking for the last 20 years or so. Who has the money for this research???? Do you or your VET. If so please then lets get together.

Next, after this part, then you have to have a live field test done with a group of smarts who have to witness this cure. How can this be done with the way the FED Regulations are now set up which impedes this alone. Then you have to get the FDA approval before such is done. All this costs money in the thousands.

Next is then submitting the thesis and report to a journal. Not every VET can do this and get their discoveries printed. Therefore a person who has previous journal entries can get this into the books.

Finally then perhaps the smarts will start looking into this cure. Will I see this in my lifetime, will Dr. Sears see this in his lifetime, I doubt it.

Here is another example, OK, say like Senator Kennedy concerning his disease. Well it is already in the human literature of the cure and that cure is NDV!!!!! So he has what >> one of the top smarts being his doctor and they do not even know this exists. There was a boy who not only had this same disease as Senator Kennedy, but also had cancer. Today he is fine and completely cured. Go figure.

How do I know this, well look it up in the human literature cause it is documented. It is also well known that in Israel, those smarts have been coming up with the cure from certain deadly forms of cancer using what >>>>>NDV. go figure.

It is a great vaccine, and it has a lot of potential in spite of it being primarly used for chickens. Now Dr. Sears and I do believe this will also cure human Multiple Sclerosis. Same disease called MEASLES.

What you said in the beginning, having over 30 years experience, great. Thousands of hours and still nothing. Ask yourself why????? Why not have him drop a line to Dr. Sears and maybe just maybe your VET will begin to understand this cure after all.

The way your VET explained it or rather the way you described Canine Distemper it is the same Measles. Nice if CDC really wants to know the cure, but guess what. This was already presented to them and they turned their noses up, cause they don't believe it possible let alone hear that a dog can be fully cured of this disease in less than 24 hours!!!!!! Granted, yes this is very unbelieveable, since today there is NO KNOWN CURE that can do such with the speed results that we got. Dr. Sears even discovered the SERUM, which is better, but can only be used in the body and not in the CNS since it contains the antibodies. The speed is nearly the same. Creates the huge cytokine storm to the dogs immune system wiping out the virus.

Now I want to point something out to you. Only about 3-5% of the dogs worldwide survive the initial bout of the actual acute Canine Distemper. Once they do, they will develop neurological signs which becomes fatal once it turns full blown ODE> and these dogs can live anywhere from 10 days up to 8 years and in some cases up to 10 years before this virus kills them outright.

Based on your first description, dated on March 1st, you mention about the virus not lingering around, and giving vitamins which does nothing at all to the virus itself. That virus if it is Distemper, will be there always until that dog dies. It is airborne and contact type virus, and if another dog is laying next to an infected one and that dog is not vaccinated, all it takes is a couple of breaths from the infected dog and it spreads.

I understand you mean no disrespect, and I appreciate it a lot. So do me a favor if your VET is willing to do a very simple test to confirm if your dog has the disease OK. Not hard at all and you can get your answer in about 30 minutes which can be done at his office.

Here is the test procedure:

An additional very good test and the most reliable test to confirm distemper, do a brush border slide of the bladder transitional epithelium of the inside lining from the bladder. Stain with Dif-Quick. These cells ALWAYS have inclusions. So, easy to collect, easy to stain (quick dip) and instantly diagnosed with inclusions in these cells which will stain a beautiful carmine red color in the cytoplasm of infected cells and para nuclear. About 90% of the bladder cells will be positive for inclusions in the early stages of distemper.

Any Qualified medical person can tell you how to get cells from the bladder. Urinary catheter. Empty bladder flush with saline and collect some of the last saline. Spin down the saline and remove the cells. Place on slide and dry stain with diff-quick. Very common stain used by most medics or lab people who use medical microscopy. Everyone? I should hope so. Very fast, very cheap, very accurate for Dx of distemper. If negative then either kennel cough or respiratory Herpes or Toxoplasmosis. This test can all be done inside the VET Clinic with no problems and also no danger to anyone in or out of the same area. A very relative safe technique.

The one thing about Distemper is it always brings on Pneumonia whereas the other disease do not, and the temp readings of Distemper lasts about 3-4 days off and on. As I said before Kennel cough and Respiratory Herpes mimic this disease so in doing this specific test, you can rule the other two out if it is confirmed.

If confirmed I ask you now, what is your next plan of action???? Time is of essence pertaining to Distemper itself, and the longer you wait the more damage it will do to your dog.

I am not going to say one way or another or tell you what you should do. This has to be your decision all by itself. However I pose it in front of you. Are you sure your dog does not have this disease now, since you say it is respiratory herpes. Only time will tell and if your dog has it and you not do the test you will surely see the other clinical signs within a short time frame.

For me I am not playing games with Distemper, because I know of its tremendous destructive power to the nervous system. The primary target is the CNS but the other damage it does is unbelieveable.

What your VET said to you that what I am doing and saying is dangerous? Tell him to prove it to me that it is dangerous OK. Secondly, with a track record of over 600 confirmed cured cases body wise and now 10 confirmed CNS cures, ask him how many cures he has done himself. Since I know he has not done ONE, he has no right to make such claim or even make such a remark unless he can back it all up. Well I can back up everything I have said with definite peace of mind, and so can Dr. Sears as well, and we both have done it on live dogs outside of a lab setting officially.

Since the drug manufactures don't want this cure because it will kill them income wise, and at the same token but the insurance companies can save millions, and the VET boards control the Journals, and the FDA regulations making it nearly impossible to present this proof to them via actual control testing proof grounds, and money of which we do not have we have decided to go internet to spread the word in the hopes some smarts will pick up on it and do the testing for us and move forward with this cure and get it in the books someway and somehow.

This is where the difference of the grains become, your VET who doubts and is hesitant and not open to the mere fact that this is a true genuine cure, but would rather believe in Vitamins or herbal remedies which does absolutely nothing to a VIRUS.

Vaccines are made to fight off a VIRUS,
Antibiotics is made to fight off BACTERIAL infections.

Two different methods of actions here. Distemper is a VIRUS and a very deadly and sneaky one and it can go stealth meaning it is hard to detect. Not to mention the mere fact it can travel 20 miles airborne!!!!! There are over 15 different strains of this disease of which 4 are the primary ones that affects dogs the most.

So ask yourself why over 30,000 people die yearly in Africa, from measles. Ask yourself why Vaccines bring on Distemper???? You can have a dog fully protected and then bingo after a shot is given the dog has distemper in rapid form.

Interesting of 30 years of thousands and thousands of hours of research and I get a snap remark from him saying this cure is dangerous, when he himself has nothing to show legit wise. Hmmm, I give him a break no problem, because I have plenty to show and to back it all up.

I am happy you gave the url to CDC. Perhaps maybe something good will come out of it, but then again, the powers that may be will stop this one way or another because Ginny, your talking millions of dollars here of which the drug companies will not allow this to happen. Understand. There is a lot more involved behind the scenes of which you are not even aware of. I have been there and so has PIP of which I also saved her dog as well. And she is a medical smart herself, and now Dr. Mueller also believes in this cure as well. He was like your VET at first, and decided to give us a shot, and presto, now PIPS dog named Carmella, is doing just superb.

It is going to take time to get the word out. So therefore Dr. Sears and I can use all the help we can muster from others to spread this word out. It is the only way we know of right now.

As of CDC they lied to you. WE DID approach them about it and they did not believe it possible, and we both know they definitely are one way track minded people, in spite of showing conclusive evidence to them. The statement you said here, does not surprise me the least. I expected that coming from them.

I don't wish distemper on any dog, yet it keeps rearing back up dog after dog. I do hope yours was only respiratory herpes (which itself by the way is hard to shake off). But please do that specific test for your peace of mind. OK. Do it ASAP.

What your doctor was explaining to you was about the memory cells. Yes and no. Part is correct, and the other is not. The shots bypass the initial immune defense system, and it goes to the secondary defense. The immune system gets a snapshot of the virus, and it is retained in the memory cells for LIFE. However, the immune system does not have a snapshot of all the strains of distemper, so if your dog gets distemper it is because of a different strain or a mutated version, which the vaccine itself will not protect. Understand. So that is why the Vaccination protocol has changed since the animal needs only a booster every 3 years. The less insult the immune system gets from the vaccine the better it will stand up to the virus. Every time you shoot the dog with the vaccine every year you insult this system and it GETS WEAKER, not stronger. It goes the other way around.

Again your VET is controlled by the drug manufacturers. Hmmm, yes I have their direct memos which by the way ask your VET what the vaccine contains property wise. I tell you now, if you knew, you would not allow your dog to get that vaccine.

Secondly, based on your report dated on March 1st, you are not out of the woods yet for another 4 more weeks if your dog has distemper. If your dog has it like I said before you will begin to see the secondary clinical signs of this disease appearing approximately about after 14 days. By day 25 it will be very obvious. By end of 30 days you will be approaching the neuro phase which is the chewing in the air bubble gum factor, and or the paralysis factor or the blindness factor or a combination of the three etc. Every dog is different based on the genetics of the animal.

Also since you said the dog is 9 weeks old, yes maternal antibodies is there but it begins to weaken rapidly approaching week 10. So why not check the teeth enamel. Since the baby teeth are coming out, if the dog has distemper it will come out brownish, with rings on the teeth. Distemper prevents the adult or permanent teeth from coming out.

That statement from your VET saying I can get away with it,>>>> no say that again. He would be the one saying that to you as many other VETS have done to many other owners. What I say I tell it up front and warn you, and try to help you and is straight about it. As of the other poster asking questions and questions, well that poster has a dog that is about to have neuro problems sooner or later and that poster refuses to believe the dog is still infected in the CNS. I am not going to get into that subject, since that poster, was way out of line.

After day 6 if not treated, the virus enters the CNS via the lung route. Once there, until our cure discovery in the CNS came about it was bye bye to the dog!!!!! You can find this information from South Africa from a smart there who did extensive research of its trail and how it moves about in the body. I myself have the genome sequence of this disease, and the genome sequence of NDV, but hmmmmm, but which genome sequence or cluster of the sequences got fired up to create the cytokines and what kind of cytokines to stop Distemper cold turkey, heck will take me years till I drop dead and still not know. I don't have that kind of lab or the money to build up such setting OK.

Dr. Sears and I are both RETIRED, yet our dedication to saving dogs is still our goal and we still give our time to help others and other vets to save the animals.

One thing I forgot to mention to you in regards to the statement of dangerous. Prior up until November of 2007, NO ONE ever tried to put vaccine to the CNS as it was considered TABOO, and also no one was certain of what the outcome would be, since there was very little data concerning such, and yes I am talking about the smarts having very little data to go on. Dr. Adams (who is now deceased) did a small experiment back in the late 60's as a test to his theory, and took two animals who had full ODE. One was blind and the other paralyzed. So he did the tap with the NDV and Dr. Sears was present at that time and witnessed it. Later the dogs were put to sleep and the autopsy was done. Based on the autopsy, the virus was gone, and it was doing a reversal of the damage caused by distemper in the brain area, as the lesions were getting smaller etc. Anyway, shortly thereafter, Dr. Adams died, of which there was not enough time for him to document all his findings and get it out to the journal. Dr. Sears tried to find the paperwork and none was found, so he documented it all and preserved everything that he saw and remembered etc. From then on he started curing dogs in the body but never did the CNS at all since he himself was not sure in spite of seeing incredible results. So I come around in November 2007, and did the real McCoy NDV-CSF tap outside of lab setting, and presto incredible results and my dogs completely free and cured of the virus both in the body and in the CNS and my dogs are now fully recovered. Yep genuine as can be.

I was the first and the only one outside of the lab setting to venture and take the risk and believed in Dr. Adams that he was correct in his theory and possible thesis even though none was found.

For some reason there was a handshake with the auto immune system and the NDV vaccine, and it also corrected the auto immune system which was going haywire because of the distemper virus. These three dogs of mine say 9 am Tuesday getting the NDV in the body, (and they did not want to eat much were completely withdrawn, did not want to drink much, had all the clinical signs etc) by Wednesday morning at 9 am they started eating like pigs like they had no meal for days, and drank the water and was up and feeling fine by noon time and acted like nothing was wrong with them and were never sick!!!!! They did have labor breathing which was treated with Baytril and Pen G for 7 days and that also got cured. Also I discovered the NDV when given to the CNS also reversed the hard pads back to normal dog paws. go figure.

How many people witnessed this. 7 top smarts from the Animal and Agricultural Department VET DVM'S, 2 smarts from the University of which one was on the VET Board, 3 DVM doctors here in the city, 10 ordinary people, and myself. Also I have Antech labs in USA confirming everything legit before and after. Plus films, papers, pictures etc etc etc. Need I say more???????? It is now documented in Thailand, but not yet in the Journals.


So I leave the rest to you, either to believe or not to believe. I myself tell it like it is, and have nothing to worry about and tell the truth period.

Yes, I am on the right path, and I hope some good will come out of all this and hopefully someday people can be cured from MS of which I believe I found the answer as well. Just need a smart to believe me and check it out themselves.

Daveyo

[Ginny1070]

Well with that all said, thank you for the information you gave me Daveyo, I truly appreciate your answers to my questions. As I stated upon the discovery that my puppy might have been exposed to distemper, I IMMEDIATELY took him to the vets so I wasted no time, nor will I. Once again, my animals are my children. But I also researched everything I could find because that is who I am. And that is how I learned exactly when in his life he might have been exposed, what animal he was near that caused the possible exposure etc..
My Vet stated that a spinal on ANY living thing is dangerous. That is what he was implying. And he was in no way trying to discredit you, he just wanted some questions asked because well, come on Daveyo, it is VERY easy to be whoever you want to be on the internet. I wouldn't take my child to someone for a surgical procedure simply because someone on the internet said he was a doctor and could do it. So, that is where this all stemmed from. With that said, there is no Vet in the State of Florida I can find that knows anything about this procedure, so tell me, where WOULD I go from here?

[Daveyo]

Hi again

Ok go to Dr. Mueller located in around the Atlanta Georgia area. He can be found. Since you are in Florida he is the closest and best bet. I have other sources in different areas, so for in your case he is the one for you. I have his official contact and address in my site.

He knows very well about this treatment and has followed the medical course and has been successful now curing dogs of this disease. He also knows how to test the animals for verification etc, and if I may say so picky picky. He wants to do everything right. I am glad he is with us and has agreed to participate since he himself saw the cures take place and has seen these dogs personally and investigated and checked them out and he believes what we have said turned out to be true. He is also in contact with Dr. Sears direct if needed. By the way Pip Carrington is located in the area as well and I got her dog cured, and Dr. Muller is her VET.

Feel free to contact him and set up your appointment.

Keep me posted OK

Daveyo

[Giftbearer]

Hi Ginny,

To date there have now been several more dogs who have successfully undergone the spinal tap procedure for neurological Distemper infection.

Aside from the money it takes to research something like this to the satisfaction of traditional channels, there is also the issue of being given the opportunity even to get your foot in the door to prove it to them. If they don't grant you that opportunity then you could have something very legitimate but how will that ever be properly evaluated?

Most of us don't ever get to see new cures and step by step how they make it into mainsteam medicine, and it is by no means a matter of presenting the material to CDC or NIH or the FDA and them jumping all over it immediately. It never works that way. It is a long and arduous process that sometimes can take generations for a cure to become "officially recognized". In the meantime lots of lives are lost waiting for the T's crossed and I's dotted in just the "right" way. Many people when faced with losing a lost one would rather not wait until after that loved-one's life is over to persue a treatment or cure.

My dog was so sick when I first found out about this treatment that there was really nothing to lose by trying it. She would not have lived if I had hesitated for one more day. As fast as she was going down hill it was no coincidence that the progression of the disease stopped and that she improved after she was given this treatment. If there really were no cure then that would not happen.

The lack of validation (or knowledge of a treatment) by these governing bodies does not necessarily mean that the discovery is without merit. I worked for several years on a research team for a new treatment for Sarcoidosis and that scientist was having trouble getting his discovery on the map, as did Dr. Thomas McPherson Brown (in Rheumatoid Arthritis) before him. McPherson Brown's protocol was the base onto which this other scientist was able to build so that he could move forward the core biochemistry and pathogenesis of what we now know about many autoimmune diseases. Now the man I worked with about 4 years ago has over a hundred patients' data in an observatrional study and three or more papers published in medical journals.

There are a number of barriers in Distemper research and one of the largest is that all the focus has been placed on preventative vaccination; not on cure. Early on the conventional thinking was that everyone would have their dog vaccinated so there would never be any need for a cure, but the reality is that is not happening, and that some dogs get Distemper despite vaccination. Vets can't even all agree on how many vaccines a dog needs to protect against the disease or what type of vaccine is best.

If you look in a medical database like PubMed you will not find anyone even looking for a cure. Now doesn't that strike you as kind of strange? It's not that people have gone in with a hypothesis to find a cure and failed, but no vet (except Dr. Sears) has even attempted it. I'd say he deserves alot of respect for having the Cajones to pick up a very difficult challenge that nobody else in the field seems interested in solving. Those who are helping his treatment become recognized by the "proper channels" do not take on this cause lightly. We are all individuals who have seen the results and whose vets have seen them.

Dr. Alson Sears, a vet with long years of experience in the specialty of Canine Distemper is retired now and is not always easy to get ahold of but nevertheless I would recommend that you e-mail him directly [moderator note: e-mail address has been removed]

Better yet, if you have your vet do it you will likely get a quicker response.

If you are interested in seeing the results this method has had on my dog and others contact me privately on facebook; use the e-mail at the top left of the page and write me where it says “inbox”; [moderator note: website address has been removed]

There is a Distemper group on Facebook as well, here; [moderator note: website address has been removed] and they can also write me on my blog; [moderator note: website address has been removed]

Yes, there is some risk involved any time you do a spinal tap (even any type of surgery for that matter), but if your vet uses guided ultrasound the risk is greatly reduced. If you contact me privately I can give you Dr. Muller's contact information (who treated my dog, Carmella) and he will gladly talk your vet through doing the procedure with guided ultrasound. Dr. Muller discovered also that using Saline with the NDV instead of the dillutant provided with the NDV prevents the chance of shock when entering the spinal canal.

From your last post it sounds as though your dog is getting worse. I hope you will let in the help we are offering as your dog can be saved if you act soon.

[Ginny1070]

Actually my puppy is doing just fine. He had Kennel Cough and nothing more then that. He responded to the antibiotics, he is gaining weight, growing fast, he lost a few puppy teeth and his new ones are coming in with no "corrosion" He has had no nuerological issues, his bowels are solid and he is now chewing everything he can get his teeth on and has me on a "new baby" schedule that is for sure. The other dog that my puppy may have been exposed to to begin with is also doing fine and has had no other issues since he received treatment for his Kennel cough. I am thankful it wasn't distemper as my other dog got bitten by fire ants (I had to throw him in the tub to get them off from him) and has had an allergic reaction to that, so I'm glad the puppy is well so that I can focus on getting my old buddy feeling better. It's hard to determine just other illnesses from distemper, I have learned that. And I think by reading all these things in the first place, I made myself "distemper paranoid". I am still weary about having the pup get his secondary vaccination to distemper, as I have read it can CAUSE it as well. I didn't know that. I want his immune system to be super strong first, so I will wait a bit. Thank you everybody who took the time to respond to my original post. Teddi is doing great, and he is acting like a normal puppy now. I will say, times like I just went through is when I wish my animals could talk. Thanks again everyone!

[Daveyo]

Hi Ginny

That is some good news for you and your dogs that Kennel Cough was the culprit. Like I said before, the two main diseases that mimic Canine Distemper is Kennel Cough and Respiratory Herpes. Only one of these will reach a temp reading near 106 degrees. The other do not go this high. Again many miss this part of the diagnosis, because Distemper fever lasts only for about 3-4 days and it goes on and off. This alone complicates matters even to a VET and the dog will appear to be normal showing no fever and lo and behold 4 hours later it is running a high fever. Came across a few like this so to speak.

The sure fire way to officially determine especially the first 14 days from onset of the fevers is doing that bladder smear of the lining test. This will give a clear indication either positive or negative concerning Distemper. This test is 100% accurate.

Since you had Kennel Cough it is best to wait minimum one month before attempting to start up the vaccination program again. You have to be sure the dog is not sick at all from anything when giving the vaccine.

Secondly KEEP PARVO AND DISTEMPER VACCINES APART. Do not give both the same time. This is the one thing that many VETS do not want to admit that this combination can and will cause the accelerated form of Distemper if the dogs genetics cannot handle the initial vaccine shot itself. This itself is A case by case basis. This same combo shot can also cause a double whammy to the animal giving it Parvo and Distemper at the same time. If this happens, you will not be able to save the animal in time. So far none have but we again have not had one with this yet to see if the NDV and the Parvo treatment will work if given the same time. My theory is> However if emergency treatment is given as soon as this happens, yes you can maybe save the dog. NDV body shot first, and then treat the Parvo intensively and give that Tamiflu meds as described in my forum. If the dog holds up, it will make it thru but the odds are slim. The key is the emergency action when this happens and giving that treatment right away without any delay. This is why I say keep these two vaccines completely apart. If your VET says he cannot do it, yes he can and he can get separate vaccines which is also in my site as well. In fact you can get it yourself.

Thirdly, give only a half shot dose at a time. Do not give a full dose shot to a small dog. These vaccine shots are meant for a 60 pound animal, believe it or not. After you give the first half dose shot wait 21 days and then you can give the second half dose shot and again wait another 21 days etc., until all three required full vaccine shots are in the animal. Then the last shot should be the Rabies when it reaches 3 months old. If your still giving the normal vaccine shots no problem, just make sure that Rabies shot is given when it is 3 months old like it or not. OK Very important here.

Then after the last and final dose shot is given, then give that booster 1 year later. After that you can vaccinate your dog once every 3 years which I think it is best and this does not insult the immune system that hard. Giving a booster every year is dangerous as you can over shoot the dogs immune system causing it to crash and then bingo Distemper in the worst form.

When giving the Distemper dose wait 21 days, then give the half dose Parvo to stay in line with the vaccine set up. OK. After that Parvo is given wait minimum 16-18 days before continuing the rest of the program. Why I say 16-18 is because the Parvo opens up the blood brain barrier for minimum of 10 days and then closes up gradually which takes about another 2-4 days depending on the dogs genetics. So I pick 16-18 as the safe margin to avoid problems.

So please do make sure your dog is kept away from others until it is fully vaccinated. After that then your out of the woods. Never expose a partially vaccinated dog to any infected animal. OK Animal clinics are the best breeding grounds for this kind of situation to develop, so make sure your unvaccinated dog is having this appointment all by itself with no other dogs present.

Glad you responded as we were a bit worried about your situation'

Feel free to write to us at any time. Take care

Daveyo