[guia]

I have a 4 months old female white labrabor. She came to us last January 1, 2008 to my children's delight. But the next day, we brought her to the vet because of some cough and colds. Then Caramel (our new babe) was diagnosed with early stage of distemper some two days after.

I came to this website and forum two days ago. (Although I have posted and paid for my bottle of Pet Alive Vi-Pro by the first week of January. They said it has been shipped last January 10 abut it will take 21 days at most to get to the Philippines.) I got a bottle of the NDV vaccine yesterday morning but can not find a Vet doctor who is willing to administer the "new" treatment to my dog. This morning, I was able to put her into an animal hospital in one of the educational institution who will administer the vaccine to my dog.

Please clarify, Daveyo, because my dog weighed into the hospital at 7.0kg. So if we need 0.1cc for every pound the we must give approximately 1.6cc to her since 1 kg= 2.2 pounds.

Thank you.

[Daveyo]

Go ahead I already replied when you posted in another area. Formula is correct.

I just like to know how you got it confirmed??

Let me know how the dog is after the injection, and if you can please answer all the other questions from the other post you gave.

Thanks

[guia]

Thank you for your immediate reply, Daveyo.

Yes, Caramel is afflicted by distemper aomplete with all the symtoms and signs. I will keep you posted.

By the way, you metioned that you are married to a Filipino from Quezon City. That is nice to hear.

[Daveyo]

Yes, she was a lovely woman, very intelligent and beautiful. I lost her in 2003. So I still have good memories, and hopefully someday we will meet again. It was a wonderful 12 years of marriage. I don't plan to get married again. Too much pain and hurt.

Based on hearing your confirmation of the Distemper it is estimated your dog is now about near the 20 day stage from onset of infection. You are approaching the third stage very shortly. About 10 to 12 more days and you will be seeing the chewing gum phase. So you have to move quickly, because the damage is progressing.

As of your dog, be advised to give it the treatment for pneumonia after you do the injection for 7 days. If you are able to do so get a blood test done in the meantime during the 7 day period. I am most particularly concern is the WBC reading. Also on day 14-15 do the CSF tap to your dog at the foramen magnum (the bottom part of the skull) and it is here the VET should do the tap. I also strongly suggest the formula for your case be changed to 0.2cc of NDV, Leave 0.2cc of CSF fluid in syringe- discard 0.5 of the CSF or save it for lab testing later, 0.2cc of saline to flush and not leave any NDV in the needle hub. So make sure the VET removes 0.7 to leave room OK.

You have two options here. If you choose to have a lab check the CSF fluid to confirm specific Distemper antibodies being present, then you have to wait until the 14th day or 15th day after the NDV body injection. It takes that long for those antibodies to show up in the CSF fluid.

(2) If you choose not to do the lab test to check the CSF fluid, then you can do this on day 10 after the body injection. The CSF fluid will be no good to test because it is done early before the antibodies will show up.

The choice is up to you. Keep in mind the longer you wait the more demyelination is going to take place. I am almost positive with 99% sure the CNS is infected, so if it was me, I WOULD NOT WAIT and get it done early. OK By day 10 it is estimated some myelin got damaged but the question is how much. If you inject on day 10 the CSF tap, it takes 36 hours before it reaches full potential to stop the progression. So this means the virus had a head start on you at least 18 days minimum.

In over 95% of the cases anything beyond day 8 the CNS will be breached by the virus from onset of symptoms of the disease which begins when the dogs have the FEVER. If you start the body injection by day 5, (takes 24 hours minimum for full effect) which puts you to day 6 and the extra 24 which makes it 48 puts you to day 7, then the breach to the brain area will not occur. Like it or not this virus goes very fast, and it does not give much leeway to save dogs from brain infection because that is the primary target for this virus in the first place.

Doing the CSF tap only stops the progression and is not the cure of it. Understand it. Once you stop the progression you have just spared your dog the death sentence. The damage caused by the virus prior to this tap is what you have to be most concerned about. It can vary on dogs. Some get very little and some go all the way to paralysis before it stops, and some might go to seizure phase before it stops. All these after effects show up later, and you will see it. Don't worry tho, the dog will live which is the big difference even if you see all this. OK So you must be very patient and give it good care after the tap and stay on top of it. Give it time and hopefully it will heal itself.

The only cure to this disease is the BODY PART. The dog is immune for well over 50 years against Distemper.

DO NOT GIVE IT ANY VACCINATION SHOTS AFTER ALL THIS IS DONE. You must guard against Parvo so keep that dog inside the house. If after 90 days you not see any symptoms of the after effects after you do the tap, then you can give the dog only 1/2 or 1/4 dose of KILLED PARVO, not MODIFIED LIVE VERSION. After that shot, wait 3-4 weeks to see if any reactions take place. PARVO OPENS UP THE BLOOD BRAIN BARRIER. If nothing then do the next 1/2 or 1/4 shot. Make sure you space it out.

[If the dog shows a reaction to that small shot of Parvo such as loss of coordination or seizure, then you stop period. It takes 7 days for the blood brain barrier to close back up. You have one thing going for you on your side and that is you did the NDV-CSF tap which will save the day for you. ]

When you add it up make sure it comes out to only 2 full doses of the vaccine. No more after this point. The same goes to the other vaccines like Rabies, Kennel cough and the other diseases ALL EXCEPT DISTEMPER. DO NOT VACCINATE ANY FURTHER WITH DISTEMPER VACCINE. It is already immune for life against distemper so leave that one out.

Once the dog has received all vaccines except Distemper and (RABIES only one shot is needed), totally amounts to 2 doses, then you can vaccinate again once every 2 years since your in the Philippines. I know the Philippines well, so I tell you this much.

OK If you need help let me know, and if there is an emergency make an emergency post here to the moderator and ask the moderator to send me a e-mail to contact you. OK

Hopefully they will respond fast enough within the hour of your emergency.

[aladley]

OK If you need help let me know, and if there is an emergency make an emergency post here to the moderator and ask the moderator to send me a e-mail to contact you. OK

Hopefully they will respond fast enough within the hour of your emergency.

Please Note: Moderators are NOT responsible for making emergency contact connections on this forum. If your pet is in a state of emergency, please bring it to the nearest emergency veterinary hospital. Thank you.

[Daveyo]

To clarify emergency, I meant if you cannot find anymore NDV or is confused on the amount given for the next step especially in the Philippines it is hard to find (NDV). True to form if there is an emergency on the dog itself, yes go to the nearest Vet hospital.

My fault I did not finish out the sentence properly.

[loubinar]

please what is the first name of Dr. Sears that you are referring to?

[Daveyo]

Dr Alson

[loubinar]

lets say the dog is exhibiting already muscle twitching..i believe thats already a CNS sign..it is still possible to inject the NVD vaccine? or shall we do the CNS tap already?

[Daveyo]

Excuse me, but who are you?? Different name or are you guia??? Which dog are you talking about???

I cannot answer unless you tell me what your talking about, what dog, etc, and the status

Your a different person here.