[Girl Lee]

I want to give people hope that just because your dog has the dreaded "d-word" does not mean the dog needs to be put down right away. Our dog had a 25% chance of survival. She went through both stages of the disease. She had the runny nose and eyes, then walked in circles. It took over a month for her to come through it. She also had the hardening of the paws and nose. She was about 9 months old when she was diagnosed ( a guess, we found her as a stray and she already had the disease ) You can read her story in the Coping with... section. She is Girl Lee.
Today, she is about a year and a half. Her pads show no signs of anything, and her nose is almost completely back to normal. She runs and plays and has a really good life.
Yes, she went through a tough time. It was very difficult to see her go through that . But she is ok now. And she loves every day, and we love every day she is with us. She has a rare twitch in her back leg. And two nails from either of her back feet have never grown. We think her eyesight may not be as good as it can be, but that may just be a guess.
We read that once it reaches the brain, the dog cannot come back from it. But she did.

[Daveyo]

Hi Girl Lee

Glad to hear your dog survived which by the way only 3% of the entire world do. Nice to beat the odds, but your still not out of the woods yet. Why???> read the following>

I am Daveyo, one of the experts on this disease, as well as Dr. Sears etc. Both of us came up with the official medical cure on this disease. Dr. Sears for the body and I for the CNS.

First of all your dog still has this disease in the body and in the CNS!!!!! Like it or not and it will not go away. Your dog appears to be fine now and it can be for a few years. Here is the stats.

Those who have not received our cure treatment and survive this disease, Full ODE will occur sometime from 2 weeks to 8 years. Yep, we have cases of dogs getting full ODE 8 years later and cannot save them due to extensive brain damage caused by the distemper virus.

This virus works at various speeds. Depending on the genetics of the animal. Some who do overcome the initial original disease, are considered strong, but what most people don't know or realize this disease is slowly still working in the animal and causing damage bit by bit especially to the nervous system. That is the primary target of this disease. One day your dog will appear absolutely fine, and the next day go nuts and run crazy and then the seizures begin which by the way is fatal.

In regards to the treatment and cure. If your dog survived the intial bout of this disease, this is fine, but you still need to give the cure to the dog to arrest this virus and eliminate the virus completely both from the body and in the CNS!!!!!!! (Central Nervous System)

The body cure takes only 24 hours. Not a problem and the cost is minimal. The CNS requires a CSF tap to be done at the foramen Magnum (cerebral cranial cavity) and have the NDV injected manually into the spinal fluid. The cure here is 24 hours.

If you do both, then your dog will escape the deadly full ODE effects, the brain damage, the fatal seizures and will live a normal life past the 8 year limit, and be immuned for life against Distemper as the titers will be 1/1600.

No dog or animal has survived past 8 years to date the last 20 years after surviving the intial Distemper disease bout, without getting the treatment.

This final cure involving the CNS took place in November of 2007.

So it is up to you to decided if and when you want to cure your dog and have it live a long life with you.

Do write to me if you want to know more details

Daveyo

[Girl Lee]

then why in the information you link to does it say that dogs that have reached the neurological stage of the disease cannot be helped?

[Giftbearer]

Hi owner of Girl Lee,

It does not really go away on its own but can lay dormant for a number of years. It's possible that your dog's improved ummune fuction might have made certain symptoms go away and reduced the number of cells present to a low roar, but as Daveyo says, you should have the dog treated so that you get rid of the virus itself and so it will never return.

I've spoken with Dr. Sears and he had a dog brought to him as an adult which had the same response as yours. It was acutely ill as a puppy and the owner and its original vet had both assumed when the symptoms stopped that the Distemper was in the past. It seemed healthy and was eating and playing. The virus in that particular dog went into stealth mode for several years unknown to anyone and then at age 8 (when brought to Dr. Sears) neuo symptoms exploded again with a veangeance with paralysis and the whole nine yards. By that time it was too late to save it because the disease had been silently doing damage to its brain for years.

Chances are, had the dog been treated earlier and had this treatment been known while the dog was still young, it could have been saved.

If your dog's eyesight may not be as good but you aren't sure there could be effects of the disease that are not as easy for you to identify that are continuing to affect your dog.

If your dog seems relatively stable now this might be a good time to look into this treatment. How old is she currently?

You might be interested in joining the Facebook group Saving Dogs from Canine Distemper also.

[Daveyo]

Can you elaborate for me please. Tell me where you saw it, perhaps I missed out on that part. It should say those who reach the final last phase after getting the second window cannot be help because the brain damage is too extensive, and not enough time for the NDV to do its work to save them.

There are two windows once the chewing gum seizure begins. The first one (depends on the animal) can last betwen 48 to 72 hours. Then a period like a day with a lot of seizures. Then the second window (again depending on the dog) will last somewhere between 48 to 72 hours. This variates based on its intensity of the damage. After that period, it is all downhill for the animal and the seizures are very strong and it is 10 times worse. Basically it will kill them, meaning the brain simply will shut itself down after so many of them in the short period of time.

At that point no time for NDV to save them. NDV needs 24 hours of stabilzed condition to cure the animal minimum. If there is a chance to save that dog the NDV CSF tap has to be done during one of those windows with maximum time allowed while they are still stable. Odds are 50-50 here at this point of time.

When the chewing in the air syndrome begins this is RED LINE and danger for the dog and owner. Time is nearly runned out for the dog. We are talking only hours and a couple of days here and not weeks. Talking of maybe only 3-4 days tops.

Thanks for letting me know, and please do let me know where you spotted this part. I would appreciate it. Typo you know

Daveyo

[Girl Lee]

the last line in the instructions for making the syrum by Dr Sears is where I found the information.

I had heard of ODE before I ever heard your information.
Where do you get this dreaded 8 year cutoff date? I have not seen any research that backs that up. I have seen that some dogs come down with ODE, even up to 10 years after distemper. But that is not all dogs--just some.
Girl Lee was given a 25% chance of survival, and that was in the first stage. When she hit the neurological stage, the vet did not think she would survive. She could only walk three steps at a time, if she could even get that far. He never suggested we put her down, but he did say her chances were slim and there really was not much hope once she got to that stage. But we believed in her, and pressed on, even though it was heartbreaking to see her that way. Then, one day when we took her in, she was sitting up. The vet actually smiled at her that day for the first time. I will never forget that day.

Anesthesia can be dangerous. There are dogs who don't wake up. Especially Girl Lee, who has breathing problems. Not from the distemper, though. While she was still a stray someone partially slit her throat, but she miraculously survived. The cut healed on its own, but left her with some damage to her esophagus. I am not going to endanger her life because of something someone writes to me in an email, epecially something that goes against my own research. I'm not going to go out and find a vet to do a dangerous procedure without knowing more. Give me some more facts on these 700 dogs you say have been saved. Are there any side effects? How many dogs did it not help? How long did they live after the tretment? How far gone can a dog be and still be saved? (distemper, not ODE).

And telling me the story of one dog who developed ODE 8 years later who may have been saved, tells me nothing.

[Daveyo]

Hmmm, I see what you have witten here being bold so to speak.

First I am not about to take over 700 file cases and drop it down on your lap. Your out of your mind if you think I will do that to prove to you that we are genuine.

Secondly we came up with the official cure, Dr. Sears and I and you haven't to this day, yet you can say a dog has survived up to 10 years without it being treated, and we have dealth with hundreds of cases and please continue to read. Bull, because we know for the fact NONE have survived past 8 years, those not treated.

We have for a long time treated the body and still these same dogs lived on average up to 8 years. Why, because during this time span, there was no cure for the CNS where the virus continued to do its damage unabated and had a free for all scenario.

Now with the CNS cure coming into the picture, yes these dogs will live a normal life span without getting the dreaded ODE which would be fatal at the end.

We speak of anesthesia, and the same applies to humans. That is why the almighty important medical history is needed on each on a case by case basis. Comprende???

You speak of your own research, OK tell me of a VET who can do better or to a researcher who can do better. Find me one. That would be the day I would love to see.

Over 80% of Field VETS out there do not understand Distemper let alone be able to detect it early enough. There is hardly any researcher interested in getting the refined process done as I have been doing up to now. As a matter of fact I understand your ahem site does not very well, due to your lack of insightness and lack of understanding this disease at all.

If you want to challenge Dr. Sears and I please do, and we welcome this challenge because we will bury you with the knowledge and information and data we have as the authentic genuine proof. I suspect your a homopathic and herbal believer.

We deal with pure medical science. Period.

This is why we are experts, and not you!!!!! Why I say this because I understand you berated someone just of recent and gave that person trash, and it was conveyed to me. Don't ask me for any help or answers cause you are one person not worthy of our time for any reason. Your on your own.

Bye bye. Therefore your subject with me and the other person and to Dr. Sears is now closed.

Daveyo

[Girl Lee]

First, I must say I did mis-speak--i meant she has a problem with her trachea, not esophagus.

I did not give anyone trash--i merely told her I did not believe her--that is my pergoative, as I do not believe you. I asked for more facts. If you actually had read what i wrote on the other board, you would realize i said i hope it is a real cure. I did not delete any posts, nor did i say I think this is a snake oil cure. I recommend people to do the research themselves. What is wrong with that?
As far as my site--if you would actually look at it, you would realize it is a site for MORAL support, not MEDICAL support, so of course I am not going into the specifics of the disease. I am sure you believe I am not doing a good job, because I am not telling everyone on the site to run out and do what you call a cure. I am not going to tell someone to do something I have absolutely NO experience with.

I am not asking you to drop a bunch of cases in my lap--i am asking you to answer a few questions. I want to know more than " a bunch of dogs have survived".
When Girl Lee first got diagnosed, we talked to people, and searched the internet for information. What I have come up with from many different sources, is the death rate in initial distemper is around 75 to 80%, much higher than the 3% you state. And it is much higher in very young and very old dogs than a dog such as Girl Lee who was approximately 9 months, although she was somewhat malnourished from being a stray, which did cut her chances some. And I did not find any study which stated that all dogs get ODE--just some of them.

Not once did I ever profess to be an expert. Does that mean I have to follow you blindly? Just because I don't have a vet degree? Daveyo, what exactly are your credentials? You never state them. Or the credentials of your associate who I supposedly "berated" I have never read anything on her being a vet, yet she is giving out medical advice. She is the one claiming to be an "expert".
Where in the world did you decide I was a homeopathic and herbal believer!! Thanks for the laugh!! Asking questions makes me homeopathic? I ask questions about any medicine I am prescribed. Do you think my doctor gets upset? No! Every visit with Girl Lee to the vet we asked tons of questions and he answered them all.

I did "challenge" as you call it, but you didn't answer me.
Nor did you ever answer my question about why your literature states that dogs in the neurological stage cannot be helped. Good way to dance around that!!!

I never asked you for any help in the first place--you are the one who answered me first. My orignal post was for the general public. And I am FAR from on my own.

[Daveyo]

Granted you have a perogative to not believe her, but honestly what you don't know is I helped save her dog, and she followed our medical protocol.

She was like you in the beginning, did not trust or understand us at all, and was a skeptic at most but deep down inside she wanted to save her animal, so I explained everything to her and she under took a venture that not only saved her dog but a new quest to help others to save their dogs as well.

As of the 3% what you did not understand is only 3% in the entire world survive from Canine Distemper disease and live and last only 8 years without the treatment. In other words 97% die, give or take which by far means to say, the odds are almost completely against the dog surviving without any help at all.

I see them drop dead over here without treatment. A monk asked me why it is dead so quickly, and I told him why. The problem here is the culture, and it is very difficult to get these people to comply in saving their animals. In this country there is so many Soi Dogs, (street dogs) that if anyone visited Thailand will tell you I said true. Also another one in Mexico is having a nightmare since the disease is out of control.

Nothing wrong with telling people to do their own research. However in the case of this disease, you do not have much time and decisions have to be made quickly, who does have the time to research and study while the dog is dying?? Granted in these desperate moments, yes a quickie research is needed to weed out the true from the false.

The ones you read about ODE are the few that get reported, as most people do not follow thru to report it. Happens all the time.

I have never asked anyone to follow me blindly. I offer the real medical hope that is genuine and authentic to cure the animal. I myself do not believe in homopathic and herbal practices because it is garbage and their proof is so little and far in between even the FDA is trying to shut them down. It is a business trying to make money looking for suckers and I am not going to advocate it one way or another.

I believe in medical science as it being the only true course to cure against a virus or bacteria. These two elements have been around since this planet was formed and today some of these viruses and bacteria is wreaking havoc to our immune systems and some of them is turning up the screws a bit with a vengeance you have never before experienced.

Again I will say that dogs in the final stages of the neurologic phase of distemper which is the full blown ODE and after such has had the second window cannot be saved since the virus has all but destroyed the brain. Yes we have done autopsies on these animals and know what we are talking about in a figurative sense in my writing here.

As to of about the other person then you square it off with her, not with me but she did not sound too receptive to you either.

Ok so you do at least admit you have no experience and I grant you that because most do not have the experience or knowledge in this particular field of disease.

Lets put it this way, The cure that Dr. Sears and I have discovered, now that we know it works, by the way also will work against Multiple Sclerosis. Yes this also will stop this disease and also we did some research on Mr. Edward Kennedy and also found out that his disease can also be cured as well. It is already in the Human Medical Literature book. The rest of getting him cured is up to the Doctors to tell him about it, which I don't think they have done so as of yet. In the meantime he is slowly dying bit by bit, whereas a CSF tap will cure him of this disease. In regards to of Multiple Sclerosis, yes some top researchers at the Mayo Clinic have been in contact with me and we are still in contact as they are now well aware of their discovery of the generic version helps speed up the repair of the Myelin and Schwann cells, yet have this nagging problem of getting this virus under control. Well they are considering our protocol and will be testing it shortly. If it works, then our second discovery will cure Multiple Sclerosis.

Things are moving fast. I hope that this president allows Stem Cells to be freed again in regards to the research. If this happens now we can move forward, and cure heart disease, lung disease and even make new hearts and lungs and our other organs so we all can live a bit longer and enjoy life. Not to mention those who are paralyzed this can work as well.

The associate is not an expert on this disease but is a person who has been in the medical field for many years in her profession and knows a lot herself, and is learning more and more everyday with us. She is keen on the practices of Doctors, researchers and knows full well of about the smarts who control the Journals. If she gives out medical advice she always asks us first. Huh what is wrong with that asking us the question or for permission just like you do with your VET. Same boat huh???

As of me, just simply accept me as to who I am. Nothing to brag about. What is a title anyway, as it means nothing as far as I am concerned. Yes I am an expert, with over 40 years under my belt. You too can be an expert yourself if you specialize in certain fields and also get the valuable experience and knowledge with it. Hmmmmm lets put it this way, both of us are nearly three quarters of a century old. We have been there seen it and done it. Today we do it for people, and we both want to see smiling faces and detest disease that kill that can be saved.

We also came up with some answers to FIPV of the dry and wet form. We found a cure for the dry form, but that wet form is elusive, but we found a way to control it which by the way the animals needs to have this medicine for the rest of its natural life. As of the dry form, only 21 pills needed and its cured. Bless the kittys soul huh.

Very very few researchers are into feline practice. These animals have no related connections to humans as dogs do. Dogs have a lot of common to humans overall.

I have no reason to give out false hope. What for, I simply tell the truth, and lay the cards on the table. The rest who get the factual information decide on their own. If they want the help all they have to do is ask for it. If not, time moves on.

A guess on you being either a herbal follower or homopathic follower laid strong since you not believe in true medical protocols or science as we have provided. On the other hand I see you run to your VET and ask a ton of questions, whew, but really you run to someone who has medical science under their belt.. Hmmmm, interesting to say the least.

Now if you read your post dated on Wednesday Jan 28th, what did you say there????? Why did we come into the picture? What we did was WARN YOU, that this disease on your dog is STILL THERE. We could have said nothing if we chose to do so. But we did because we care about animals and know precisely the danger the dog is still in. We also know full well that Distemper cannot be won by the animal itself. It is a virus not a bacteria, and this virus is as deadly as it comes. Why not take a look at the genome sequence and its DNA. But then again you will not understand the codings of it either. It is a resilent and highly resistive virus that virtually almost nothing can stop it except our Serum and the NDV. Not only that I for the first time discovered how to control the auto immune system but pure simple luck that came with the discovery of the cure in the CNS of this disease. An extra package came with it so to speak. Researchers have been trying for years and years to find a way to control the auto immune system from destroying its own cells to no avail. I have yet to tell them this since the research doing it live in the field is still ongoing, and need more data, because it is limited since we cannot keep killing animals for autopsy reasons to get such data.

Hmmmm sigh, but you are who you are, and I am who I am, and that is how things click in this world. With all the mess going on, saving a few goes a long way than saving none at all.

So the internet is our main source and medium to spread the word out, and hopefully some researchers gets interested in our cause and in the meantime save animals. At least we can back this all up medically because we do have the genuine legitimate proof, live animals and history data. I certainly is trying my best, with the limited resources I have on my end.

I also have enough sense to know that I am writing to a woman here. Enough to know not to get into a spat with one either. It can get really nasty. There is this gender thing we have to deal with too.

I recently had to do a 24/7 care on one of my animals here. He developed what is called a Necrosis Skin Infection. Basically this means the infection eats away all the skin and organs if it reaches that far and can kill.

Took me 12 days straight with only 3 hours of sleep every other nite. I won that battle. Tonight he is on my lap here with new skin forming on his insides and muscles too. I took pics of this and will put it in my site to inform dog owners how nasty this can be. Yes his thigh bone is fully exposed. He is barely able to walk with just one exposed ligament attached. Talk of a close encounter of a contagious disease. This one is a bacterial type. Its speed surprised the heck out of me of which I under estimated it. I also had another dog who got the same thing but not as bad as this one who is sitting on my lap. Anyway had to do surgery on my dog here which took over 3 hours removing every piece of infected tissue and come to find out it did reach the stomach walls. Yes his entire inside guts is showing. Yet he lives because I know what I am doing.

I read recently of some actress or singer in South America who had her hands and feet amputated because of necrosis. Well it spread continued and eventually killed her. This stuff of about diseases Girl Lee is for real.

Another did you know if the dog has Parvo and Distemper together at the same time the death rate is 100% and its fatal. No time to cure the dog. As a matter of fact there is a new form of Parvo out now and it is 100% fatal. It kills the dog in less than 8 hours.

Last of all do you believe that Tamiflu will save you if the pandemic takes place regarding H virus that has the CDC so worried about should that happen. Turns out just about every country has stockpiled the Tamiflu in case it does start.

Well Tamiflu will not save you from this Virus. Tamiflu is an antibiotic which needs 14 days to be effective. It has no effect. It is made for bacteria not for a virus. There are only 3 known drugs that will save you of this virus provided you get the help and it being available at the time of incident or scenario. Yes the mutation is slowly picking up steam. One of these years in the near future there will be a breakout of this disease. Remember SARS??? Only this one is going to be 20 times worse. About 4 billion will die from it out of 6 Billion that are on this planet. Yes I said Billion!!!!

Here is a short description for you. When you do get it, you will become very dehydrated, have high fever, and you will get pneumonia. Once the pneumonia sets in you will drown in your own bodily fluids. Yes like going swimming and breathing in water. That is what will happen, simply you drown. What this virus does is it creates a huge viral cytokine storm to your immune system and humans cannot survive with a bacterial cytokine storm. So I leave to you to do some research what is the cure? I already know the answer and the cure. Gave you a hint already. One thing for sure I will pass up the Tamiflu line when it happens.

Enough said

Got to go

Daveyo



I can go on and on here and touch upon so many subjects it will blow your mind away.

[Girl Lee]

Of course I talked to my vet--a man with a degree. Why should I believe you over him? Because you say so? You say you have proof--what is it? A live dog? I have a live dog, too. I guess that makes me an expert. Why can I not ask even if there are any side effects or how long these dogs live afterwards? You laugh at me for running to a vet who went through years of schooling, yet you are upset that I do not believe you, you who I know nothing about--you who could be anyone in the entire world spouting out made up things? Why would I believe you over a legitimate vet? Yes, it is important for me to know your credentials--i do not want to just accept you for who you are, why should I ? In what capacity did you work with these dogs? Why did you see so many dogs? You speak so much of "proof", which is words on a paper.

You are quick to resort to insults. Are you getting frustrated because I am asking questions you cannot answer? Your post is very long. I can write a lot of words, too. You went off on a bunch of subjects that have no relation to what we were discussing.

If this cure of yours is so legitmate, that means you would be compiling information in order to present that to veterinary boards and doctors in order to get it approved as a treatment. If you are not, why not? If you are so keen on saving dogs, why have you not compiled this information? I believe it would be the first thing you would want to do. Then you could answer my questions when I ask them, instead of just insulting my gender and website. I assumed you were a man by your arrogance.

There is also an epidemic of distemper out here near where I live. Lots of dogs are dying from it, mainly because they are not being properly vaccinated. And several others have survived it. I was hoping this was real--very much hoping, which is why i was asking questions. I always read the fine print, and ask questions. I get very suspicious when someone will not answer my questions. You have not even answered the first question I asked--go back and read my first answer to you, I am not going to repeat it a third time.