[Tugger]

Daveyo I read your post on curing canine distemper I need to know what the treatment is I have a dog in the middle stages right now. I don't want to put him down, but I won't let him suffer to the end with this stuff, it gets bad. Please call me or e mail me x [moderator note: phone number has been removed] or [moderator note: e-mail address has been removed]

[Daveyo]

Ok Tugger, lets get into high gear here via the web site since moderator will not let this during an emergency.

Look in phone book for Newcastles Disease Virus Vaccine, and you look under the Agriculture Department. When you make contact with them, ask them where the nearest place that has this vaccine because you need some. They will tell you.

Before you go to pick up this vaccine, weigh your dog OK. The dose is 0.1cc for every pound. If the dog weighs 10 pounds you need 1.0 cc of ndv. Each bottle holds up to 3.0cc worth or 30 pounds (66kg) of weight of the dog. If the dog weighs in between, add another 0,1cc to it.

When you get the NDV for the Weight, also get 1 more because you will need to do the CSF tap since your dog is in the middle stages. You will be doing this tap after you inject the NDV into the body. OK So make sure you do get all for the body weight and 1 extra for the Spinal tap.

Now when you have the NDV in the syringe, put this into the dog on the leg and find a blood vein. It must go into the blood stream MOST IMPORTANT. Once you do this, then wait 48 hours. The dog will be cured of the disease in the body but the cerebral fluid more like was breached. After you wait 14 days from the injection you then need ( and you have a choice here) to take out some spinal fluid and then have it tested for specific distemper antibodies, or do the tap and inject the NDV into the spinal fluid and save the trouble.

To make it easy for you on this decision process, the odds of the breach in the middle stages is like 80%. Most definitely it breached.

So by putting the NDV into the CNS (Central Nervous System) you will stop the advancement of the OLD Dog that will definitely will most likely occur within 2-4 months. In doing so you will save your dog and yourself a terrible ordeal that will arrive if you do not do this OK

After you do this both of them, the body and the CNS, DO NOT VACCINATE THIS DOG WITH ANY PARVO VACCINE OR GIVE IT ANYMORE DISTEMPER VACCINE. Serious complications arises since the virus originally breached the barrier, the PARVO WILL CAUSE THE NDV TO STOP MOMENTARILY AND THEN THE SEIZURE WILL HAPPEN. AVOID THESE TWO ITEMS OF VACCINE LIKE IT IS THE PLAGUE.

Make sure you get the blood tested. Draw some out before you give the NDV and put it into another vial. Then inject the NDV OK. Later then do another blood test (21 days) to see what the WBC count is for this dog. If it is too low, then I will tell you how to bring it up back to normal with Nupogen.

The reason to avoid also this VACCINE of Parvo and Distemper is the following. The dog has more than enough protection against Distemper to last 50 years. Basically its entire lifespan. The Parvo is nasty (modified live) and causes the brain barrier to open up and then it starts a chain reaction to the cell structure weakening the NDV and then the damage begins. The brain barrier will not close up again for 21 days. In the meantime the T-4 cells are destroying the myelin and it can go two ways -> either to the brain area or in the spinal canal area. If it happens in the spinal area, paralysis might occur, and if it happens in the brain area seizures will occur. So do not mess with Parvo PERIOD.

After this maybe 6-8 months later you can give the dog his Parvo vaccination with KILLED VIRUS ONLY. Do not use Modified Live Virus version. Whew!!!!!!!!!

Follow the rest of the instructions that I have posted here in this website.

KEEP ME POSTED BY THE HOUR AND KEEP YOUR COMPUTER ON, WE WILL TALK HERE ok

[Tugger]

Hi Daveyo My name is Lonnie Tugger's human. I have called the State and they sent me in circles one lady said she would cal around and call me back (that was over an hour ago and no call-back)
I called Walco Intl. A vet supply I used to work for (They dispense vaccines via prescription) They only show NDV in 1000 cc bottles and it is for poultry and is only sold to Vets. I can't seem to get to a vet because their damned interference runners won't let me. Is it Bush Border or Brush Border? Nobody around here is familiar with this particular test. I can do the IV injection, but I would be afraid to try the spinal. I am going to go to the clinic and whip the secretaries arse if she won't let me see the vet personally. Thanks again I'll be in touch when I know more. By the way the sec. for the vet here in my town says they don't have NDV either. Man Am I frustrated.

[Tugger]

Hi Daveyo

I talked to a vet with the state of Idaho attempting to locate some NDV and she actually laughed at your suggestion, told me that NDV was not available to the general public and was a foreign animal disease and animals that display symptoms are usually "eradicated" immediately as the Feds do not want to deal with this disease at all. She did eventually say that Newcastle and distemper are related but distant. She was not familiar with either Bush or Brush Border smears and told me to get the dog to the vet. I am lost here my friend. You say that NDV is readily available and she says that it is usually not even available to vets. I would take the dog to the vet but nobody seems to want to even give me any indication as to whether or not they can treat it assuming that it is distemper. And I am flat broke and can't afford this.

Jesus help me here please! This is my best friend and traveling companion he and I have been down some rough trails and I can't watch him die like this.

On the bright side I took him out to pee earlier and he actually tried to chase a pick up. I usually kick his hiney for this but today I actually smiled. I wish I could talk to you directly this is maddening.

[Daveyo]

Listen to me. Any Agriculture Department and or store always has Newcastles Disease Virus Vaccine. Don't tell them you are using it for a dog. Tell them you are a chicken farmer!!!!. Be innovative OK These other people who are talking to you like they know everything is full of crap and they are not DOCTORS.

The majority of VETS do not have this Vaccine in their practice out of fear of Litigation and lawsuits in USA. Now if you live close to Park City Utah, there is a vet named Dr. Alson W. Sears, who is retired and he has NDV. This is the Doctor that has a track record of over 600 saved cases plus many other different cases of other diseases as well.

Again call the Agriculture Department and pin them down to tell you where such is sold. A thousand cc bottle is 100cc bottle . TAKE IT. You can ask for the LaSorta Strain. In any rate find it and locate it and go get it. It is not expensive at all. Very cheap.

Now if you are smart here. Think of a band called deep PURPLE. Interesting huh??? My favorite rock group. Then my favorite movie was the wizard of oz. The one that scared me the most was the WITCH. Of course there was never TWO of them. Then of course x that time it is an old movie. MSN is a good website OK. We always need to communicate.

Now hurry and find that Newcastles. I will be on line all day here and will be watching and if your smart you should be able to figure out someway and we can be in CONTACT OK.


Hurry, time is against you if that dog advances on this Disease.

[Daveyo]

I am sure there are farmers in your area so especially someone raises chickens. They definitely know where to get this Vaccine, and I am sure they also have a supply of it with them as well. Yes it is used for chickens, but this stuff CURES CANINE DISTEMPER.

I don't have 40,000 dollars for one weeks worth to have a laboratory take this vaccine and find out why and how this stops the virus. It will take more than a month for them to break all this down and then record this as well. Hence it is not in the Medical Journals yet. Dr. Sears has been trying to get this done for quite awhile. He also has the serum which is even better but it takes time to make this serum and to do it right. Animals with this disease it is urgent and time is of essence, so therefore NDV is the next best alternative of which we also discovered WORKS. Talk about medical marvels here.

I also don't have this kind of money to have the laboratory to find out why it stops the T-killer cells in the central nervous system and prevents the destruction of the myelin and the Schwann cells either. That is why currently I am working with some well known Researchers on this project slowly because it is hard to go over their heads and tell them that we lower echlelon peons have found the answer to stopping this disease as well as MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS in humans. The disease in humans is the VERY SAME VIRUS that dogs get called CANINE DISTEMPER. go figure. It is also called MEASLES. One and the very same virus but named differently.

If you tell these people you are using it for a dog, DON'T TELL THEM THIS. You will encounter a wall and you got a taste of it due to the people being so ignorant and they are not researchers let alone Doctors. Do tell them you are raising Chickens and you have a flock that is suspect of having this disease and you need the vaccine period. When they hear this they then will direct you to the nearest source to obtain it.

Also Universities might have some that test poultry. Call them as well. Yes it is sold to the farmer because you cannot write a prescription for every chicken out there. Understand.

Also look in the web sites and under search write this down -> where to locate Newcastles Disease Virus Vaccine in Utah. That also might help you.

OK keep searching cause I know it is night time there. I am a half world away from you and it is day time now here. Don't go to sleep and stay up OK You no time to get sleep except late in the morning there once you locate where to get this vaccine.

[Daveyo]

Utah State University might have some - contact them .

Utah is like going in no mans land

Very available in California though, Arizona, etc, but why UTAH being so sparse??????

[Daveyo]

Tugger what is the latest on your status. Been waiting for your response. The clock is ticking on you and your dog. You must get that NDV in that dog very soon or it will be approaching the neurological phase which is the chewing gum effect and it will be too late. The NDV will not save a dog once it is at this stage. Severe damage to the brain is permanent and it is fatal.

So hurry, your running out of time.

[Tugger]

Hi Daveyo Tug is much better this AM he is up and moving about and even played with My GF a little last night. He is very very sore and tender to the touch along the back and especially around the shoulders. But he is eating and drinking again, he has drank approximately 4 cups of water this morning and went on his rounds of the neighborhood. I have never detected fever in him and he is much more lively today. Therefore we can probably rule out distemper yes?

I would almost think that he just got hit or beaten up by another dog but there are no lacerations or lesions. There is some definite swelling and hardness of muscle tissue in his shoulders and back, large knots. I'm a little baffled but less concerned now.

[Daveyo]

Watch that water intake!!!!! Why is the dog running around in the neighborhood??? I know the Philippines, cause I am married to a Philippino particularly from Quezon City.