Canine Distemper

[MommaSam]

Question: Can a dog vaccinated for distemper get infected by it down the road?

Patient History:
I have an 11 mo. black lab mix who, upon getting him at 3 mo., has had all shots/vaccinations/immunizations including distemper heartworm & flea treatment as scheduled. On June 6, I took my dog to the vet for his 6 mo. bordetella shot as required in my state. About two weeks later, he began having BIG yellow-green eye boogers, then a cough a few days later, and then over the weekend of June 20th, he started having sneezing fits and nasal discharge that was colored a slight orangish brown. I took him to the vet on that Monday, the 22nd, and the vet said he thought it was an upper respiratory infection due to some rattling in his chest and gave him some antibiotics. The antibiotics seemed to stop the cough and sneezing but the nasal discharge was still persistant. Today, my dog threw up before breakfast and after breakfast. He's also been acting really tired and lethargic all day. I took him to the vet again and he was just given a different type of antibiotic. However, I'm beginning to worry that my dog's condition is worse off than just an URI.

What ya'll think?

Ps. Yes, this is my first dog. Yes, I treat him like my child. :)

[Daveyo]

Greetings:

My name is Daveyo, and I hope I can be of some help to you here. Which state are you from that requires to have kennel cough given, as that vaccine is known as Pneumodog.

Before i go any further did you give this dog a nasal dose????

Secondly how do you know for certain your pet got all the required shots?????

Feel free to express yourself, as I am one of the experts along with Dr. Sears Emeritus Researcher DVM and we do have our own site at caninedistempercure dot com and if you do go there feel free to browse it and if you register there you will see everything you need to know about diseases and the cures to all the diseases and injurys solutions and of course the bad foods, and dangerous plants that can kill your pet and it is right around your house and I myself and my staff will do our best to help you.

Together Dr. Sears and I came up with the official cure for Distemper. Dr. Sears has well over 700 cases solved and now I got over 11 cases solved in the CNS. My discovery was just recent back in November of 2007. Thru our treatment protocol, we were able to even cure a dog that was completely blind and the dog was able to see full and complete in 3 weeks after having Distemper. We have dogs completely cured of paralysis, and also cured Seizures, and our treatment protocol also resolves the Chorea (twitching effect caused by Distemper).

To answer your question is yes and a No. Dogs can get what is called Vaccine Induced Distemper because the darn VETS do not understand the dangers of such high doses and the combo effect of distemper and parvo together. If they get vaccine induced distemper it will show up in 7 days in a rapid form and it accellerates twice as fast than the normal routine distemper infection. In a vaccine induced distemper dog, the virus invades the CNS in 3-4 days.

On being no for the answer, if the animal is fully vaccinated and has all the proper legit shots, from 9 weeks on up, in most cases NO. On some breeds yes which is because of their genetics, but that can be resolved easily today with no problem.

[MommaSam]

Hi Daveyo! Thanks for taking the time to look at this. I truly appreciate it. I adopted Samson, my black lab, in Athens, GA. At that time, Sam (3 mo) had never been to a vet. My friend, a UGA vet student, suggested I take Sam to the top rated veterinarian hospital in town. Upon visiting the vet, it was discovered that Sam had a bad case of the intestinal worms. My vet gave him the meds to get rid of them and that was confirmed by another fecal. I have records of all his veterinary care showing he is up-to-date and current on all shots until December of 2009. As a side note, I know some bad vets out there will water down vaccinations but this vet is well-liked & comes recommended by animal lovers, shelters, and the UGA vet school so I highly doubt he would do something like that. Since December, Sam has been on Interceptor for heartworm and Frontline plus administered the 1st Saturday of each month. Upon moving to Nashville, TN where I will be attending grad school in the fall, his records were transferred to a top-rated veterinary hospital in the area suggested by the UGA vet clinic. It was then that I learned Bordetella (pneumodog) is required every six months in TN. As it was June, exactly 6 mo. since his last bordetella, it was given to him via a shot in the rump on June 6th.

Sam has continued to worsen so I will update you on his status.

Since his June 26th vet appt., where he was prescribed Cipro 500 mg./day, Sam continued to refuse to eat and would vomit approx. 2.5-3hrs after receiving cipro orally.

On June 27th, Sam was taken back to the vet as the antibiotics were doing no good regurgitated on my floors. The vet did a chest xray which showed agitation but no signs of pneumonia or anything worse than a URI. So Sam was prescribed Doxycycline 200 mg/BID and was given subcutaneous IV liquids for his dehydration. At this point, he was still refusing food but would drink water. Sam continued to vomit approx. 2.5-3hrs after receiving his medication orally. He was not coughing but still had a slight runny nose with thick yellow mucus.

Today, June 28th, Sam was taken back to the emergency clinic where he was given an abdominal xray from his side and from his back. The xrays showed nothing in his intestinal track but gas. The vet couldn't determine if his stomach had something in it or if it was just the stomach skin folds showing up on the xray. Sam was again given subcutaenous IV liquids plus 20m Eg Kcl/h x 150cc/hr for dehydration along with Pepcid (20mg SQ SID) and Cerenia (30mg SQ SID) for the nausea. The vet also said to discontinue meds, food intake, and water until I follow up with Sam's normal vet tomorrow morning. Currently, Sam no longer has any nasal discharge but is just laying around the house not doing much of anything. He's coherent in the sense that if I call him he'll move his eyes to look in my general direction. He will also get up and walk to the door if he needs to go potty which has only occured once today. But aside from that, he's not doing anything. Here are my questions,

1. The emergency vet doesn't think the URI (cough/runny nose) symptoms are connected with vomiting since the URI symptoms have since dissipated. Is this a safe assumption?

2. I read an article this morning regarding a research study (AMVA) conducted on adult dogs using 100 mg. cipro pills administered once daily. It stated two notable observations (a) the absorption rate of cipro was roughly and 1.5 hrs from oral intake and (b) nausea/vomiting was an uncommon side effect of large doses of the medicine. If Sam was throwing up 2-3 hours after medicating, was some of the antibiotic absorbed? And could his vomitting be a side effect of the antibiotic?

3. What do you think I should ask my vet to look for when I go in next time? I do/did have a savings account for veterinary emergencies but at this point, it's running low so I really need to make these visits count as when the emergency funds run out, it's going on the credit card...

Again, thanks so much Daveyo!

[Daveyo]

Hi

What are the blood test results??? CBC and I want to see all of it. I am looking for something in that test which gives me a lot of clues.

The only time you need Pneumodog is if your animal is surrounded by a lot of dogs and or dog shows or if traveling from state to state such as a vacation. You do not give Pneumodog unless it is going to be involved in any of those three specific areas. For any of these 3 situations, Pneumodog is to be given 3 weeks ahead of time. Obviously the State itself is way behind the times and they do not understand Vaccines. Hmmmm, if you go to my site at caninedistempercure dot com I will give you a nice idea pertaining to Pneumodog.

Right now Pneumodog is the primary suspect and your dog is having a very severe reaction to it. Yes there are dogs that cannot handle certain vaccines and they have a reaction, just like humans do on certain meds as well. However there is a very clear warning sign regarding to Distemper that you have mentioned herein your post.

The beauty of our discovery Dr. Sears and I, our cure has absolutely no reactive side effects on any animal, and that is well known for almost 800 cases.

Since you are in Tennessee and near Georgia, I have the resources located in that area. You have to go to my site to obtain the names and location of our Doctors who are experts on Diseases in your local area and are very familiar on our cure as well. We teach them so to speak. There are some tests that need to be done to determine exactly your dogs problem and you can find out literally in 30 minutes right at the clinic and its not expensive at all and it has a high degree of accuracy of 99%.

If positive we can get your dog cured and taken care of.

Please do go to my site and type such name in your browser OK. Hope to see you there.


Daveyo

[Daveyo]

Stop going to the VET until you hear from me which will be shortly OK Need to protect your money too as well, because the others will slowly bleed you and nothing gets done correctly. So hold on until I get back to you either here or at my site. OK

Daveyo

[Daveyo]

Hi can you answer the following:

You do not know if or not this is distemper. First the ascarids will block the ability of the vaccine to give immunity in most dogs. So, we do not know if or not this dog was immunized properly. Then he got a bordetella shot. This vaccine is known to cause upper respiratory problems in some dogs. Also since the immune status of the dog was unknown what are the possibilities that he contracted distemper,Herpes in the Vet's office. Bordetella seldom causes a fever. Distemper always does. Was there a fever in this dog. Was there an attempt to diagnose distemper? Titer, bladder cell study? We have an unknown upper respiratory problem. Herpes? Also a disease that mimics all of the above. (also with a fever) Diagnosis, diagnosis!!!!!!!!! Doc

Write back and let me know. I submitted your data to my Emeritus Dr. Sears and that is his response back so please follow up on it and give me the answers. Ok


Daveyo

[MommaSam]

Hey Daveyo.

Sam did not have a fever on 06/22, the initial vet visit. By 06/27, his fever was at 105. Currently, his fever has broke and is at 100.3. Money is an issue so I'm not doing the titers. He did get a complete blood profile which showed low wbc, mono, Hyp and other immune related cells. I don't have it with me so I can't state them all for sure. They also did more xrays that showed the URI has cleared up & there is nothing in his gastric/intestinal track. Yesterday evening, after receiving over 1L of IV fluids, he relieved himself of a WHOLE lot of grass so we're thinking that was the cause of the gastric issue and the URI was unrelated to the grass. He drank water without vomiting last night and we think he may have snuck into some of my roommate's dog food & ate a little. Sam is currently on an IV fluid drip and full-spectrum antibiotics. Thank you for your care, compassion, and concern. Will keep you updated.

[Daveyo]

Hi

I roger your report and I thank you. A fever of 105 is a dead sign of distemper as distemper always goes between 104.5 to 106 degrees. You are now within the first 6 day window with only about 2 more days before you are outside the window to avoid CNS problems

Stand by and let me confirm with my Emeritus and will report back quickly.

Please monitor that dog carefully as the fevers come and go for about 4 days. This is the onset of the disease and the beginning. Most owners never catch that beginning so consider yourself very lucky indeed. Do not panic and stay calm. OK

Let me give you the diagnosis shortly.

Daveyo

[Daveyo]

Hi

While awaiting word from the Emeritus, please copy this down and go to your VET and have this simple test done and you will have your official answer in 30 minutes as this test is 99.5% accurate to determine if your pet has distemper. After the VET has done this and gives you the answer could you please be kind enough to report back to me ASAP

The most reliable test to confirm distemper,the person needs to do a Brush Border slide/smear of the bladder transitional epithelium of the inside lining from the bladder. Stain with Dif-Quick. These cells ALWAYS have inclusions. So, easy to collect, easy to stain (quick dip) and instantly diagnosed with inclusions in these cells which will stain a beautiful carmine red color and be para nuclear in the cytoplasm of infected cells. About 90% of the bladder cells will be positive for inclusions in the early stages of distemper. This is good for at least the first 21 days from onset of the disease. After this point, it gets harder to detect as the disease progresses further in the stages and the physical clinical signs will become quite obvious.

If confirmed Distemper, then you will need to give your dog a body injection of NDV which kills this virus inside 24 hours. You will need to go to my site and register to get the complete medical protocol to cure this disease and to give to your VET. If the test is negative , then you had something else.

Based on what you have told me so far I am hunching that you have a dog with Distemper 75% odds at the current moment.

Any Qualified medical person can tell you how to get these cells from the bladder. Use the Urinary catheter. Empty the bladder and flush this with saline and collect some of the last saline. Spin down the saline and remove the cells. Place on slide and dry stain with diff-quick. A Very common stain used by most medics or lab people who use medical microscopy. Everyone? I should hope so. Very fast, very cheap, very accurate for Dx of distemper and the results can be seen in about 30 minutes. Rarely inclusions can be seen in the red cells. I have never seen inclusions in the conjunctiva. An IFA test of the conjunctiva to test for inclusions is available. Don’t wait for test results to come back. Time is of the essence. Wait for the test results after treating!!!!!. If wrong no adverse reactions if right you are ahead of the game for stopping the distemper virus. If NEGATIVE> then either kennel cough or respiratory Herpes or Toxoplasmosis. This test can all be done inside the VET Clinic with no problems and also no danger to anyone in or out of the same area. A very relative safe technique. To date, this test has never failed for us and is extremely very accurate and saves time in making the right diagnosis.