Canine Distemper

[livingwith]

My wife and I adopted a 7 week old puppy last weekend (6 days ago) From the Galveston TX pound/rescue center. He was active and happy. We brought him in to our Vet Monday to get checked out and get his first round of shots. The next morning he began his downhill slide.
He threw up in the morning and again in the evening. We called our Vet and he said he was just getting rid of the worms he had. Well, the worms are gone or they should be, but he has just been getting worse. Thursday (toda...Read the full article

[Daveyo]

Hi I am Daveyo

First of all your dog is having a very severe reaction to the Distemper and Parvo shot. There has been a lot of cases regarding that Distemper vaccine brings Distemper to the animals. In your case this is the result.

You do have one hope. Get some NDV and the formula is 0.1cc for every pound or 2.2kg of the dogs weight. You can get NDV (LaSorta Strain) at any poultry agriculture store. If they ask you why you want some tell them its for your chickens. You need not have to tell them its for your dog. Save yourself the trouble and don't waste time with them. Hit the phone books and do some calling around to locate the nearest place that has the NDV.

NDV is not expensive and quite cheap but that vaccine sure is more valuable than gold today in my opinion. Make sure you also get an extra one just in case you need to do the CSF tap.

The sooner you get that NDV into that animal the better the chances that the virus does not breach the blood brain barrier.

I am glad your a realist. So am I and I tell you true that this NDV does work and it saves dogs in fact over 600 have been saved. I think by the time you do the body injection you may be out of the 4-6 day window. The real key is getting this injection inside that 4-6 day window from onset of symptoms to avoid any neurological problems caused by that virus.

Even if you do this outside this window the dog will be ok and live and you will have the body taken care of. It then will be the CNS that you have to worry the most, because this virus will breach it by day 8 onward till it kills the dog.

Injecting the NDV into the CNS will stop the progression of this virus and the animal will live and stopping the progression it also stops the damage it is causing as well to the myelin and Schwann cells as well as the neuro receptors in the brain area.

This disease is about as nasty as it gets, and it truly is a nightmare for many folks who have animals that get infected.

Obviously your VET does not realize that the vaccine shots is the one that caused the animal to get sick. He will never admit it to you because of fear of a lawsuit.

However you have a bigger problem. Getting Distemper in the normal course and way is a timeline type virus and one can pretty much see the stages. In your case getting that distemper inside the dogs body via a shot, accelerates the speed of this disease and its having a field day and running rampant inside the body without needing incubation to develop.

There are dogs prone to these vaccine shots. You had no way of knowing this until the vaccine shots were given. I never recommend modified live because that is the type of vaccine that triggers everything. I recommend killed virus which does not harm the dogs and they build up the immunity in safer terms. I also never give full dose shots, of which in your case this pup is only 7 weeks old, my goodness. This VET should have only given a 1/4 dose or max 1/2 dose of the killed vaccine to such a pup.

A full dose vaccine applys to animals weighing over 60 pounds. I wish these VETS understand the dangers of overdosing these dogs that gives an insult to the immune system.

After you give your dog the NDV via the blood vein in the front leg of the animal, DO NOT VACCINATE that dog anymore. Don't let the VET do it any further. Once the NDV is given that dog is immune against Distemper and Respiratory diseases for life.

For the respiratory problem after you give the NDV, have the VET give Baytril of 0.5cc and Penicillin G of 1.0cc mixed together as one shot twice a day for 7 days. This will take care of that Pneumonia that Distemper causes.

You must wait minimum of 3 months after the NDV body injection before even thinking of attempting to give any vaccination shot of any kind. If your dog has been healthy all that time and has no known neurological problems 90 days later from such injection, then you can give the Rabies shot first full dose. Guard against Rabies Then wait a month or so, then find some Killed Parvo (KILLED PARVO VIRUS) only, and give in 1/4 doses. It comes as 1.0cc so divide it by 4 and you give only 0.25cc per shot. Wait 2 weeks, then again another 0.25cc wait 2-3 weeks. Spread it out. Once you have given this dog a total 1 shot (1.0cc) then leave it alone. Don't give it any further. Hopefully with the killed version the dog does not have a neurological symptom. If the dog reacts to the 1/4 shot, stop all furture parvo shots, and you then need to have the CSF tap of NDV done. That reaction from the dog tips you off that the virus breached the blood brain barrier and was dormant and activated by Parvo in a gentle sense.

As to Lepto, Adeno and Kennel cough, that is safe as long as it contains NO DISTEMPER OR PARVO IN IT. You may need to obtain these separately. On these you do 2 full shots total of it being 1/2 dose per shot OK. Then the dog is safe.

Once all this is done, you need to only vaccinate every 2-3 years. Not yearly. Understand this very well.

No Distemper vaccine is ever going to be needed on your dog once it has NDV in the body and the NDV in the CNS. Its for life the protection.

I have posted the protocol for the VETS here under Canine Distemper Peer to Peer and find the post of For Confirmed Cases of Distemper (Revised Post)

If you also want to be sure yourself before you give the NDV and this option is of your choosing and I recommend it highly is have the VET do this test and the answers can be found in 20 minutes.

The very best test for rapidly diagnosing ACUTE distemper is to do what is called a brush border smear of the cells of the inside lining of the bladder. These cells ALWAYS have inclusions. So, easy to collect, easy to stain (quick dip) and instantly diagnosed with inclusions in these cells.

Any medical person can tell you how to get cells from the bladder. Urinary catheter. Empty bladder flush with saline and collect some of the last saline. Spin down the saline and remove the cells. Place on slide and dry stain with diff-quick. Very common stain used by most medics or lab people who use medical microscopy. Everyone? I should hope so. Very fast, very cheap, very accurate for Dx of distemper. If present then Distemper. If negative then either kennel cough or respiratory Herpes.

Basically its easy to do by the VET and it is 99% accurate and the cost is not expensive to do this kind of test. Very cheap.

By the way NDV cures Kennel cough, Respiratory Herpes and Distemper all in one area. Nice for medicine huh???

Tamiflu cures Parvo the standard strain. We do not know if it cures the more deadly Parvo F strain which kills the dogs inside 12 hours. Mortality rate on Parvo F is 100% None have survived to present date.

So get on this issue and make a quick decision. Time is against you and that dog. The virus is not going to stop on its own. It will continue until you commence action and have the VET do that protocol as given. Then you will be able to stop the virus.

It is an airborne and contact disease. So if you have any other pups in that house or dogs not fully vaccinated, they will catch this disease too. Guaranteed.

Keep posting and let me know how your proceding on this issue.