[livingwith]

We purchased our puppy at Selmers Petland at the age of 5months. At that point we trusted that all vaccinations were up to date(backed by their paperwork).
Sadly and suddenly our seemingly healthy puppy who had recovered from Giardea and Coccidia infections , came down with distemper
He first showed signs of what we thought was an ear infection,because of a tilted head ,we brought him to a Vet. This all happened while we were out of town. That Vet told us that this loked more neurologic that ...Read the full article

[Daveyo]

Just curious what tests were done to confirm Distemper??? There is only one kind of test that is 100% accurate and you would know in 30 minutes tops.

You mentioned that the immune system was not fully built up, so what was the titer counts?????

Also what kind of dog was it???


I am Daveyo

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[Black Linda]

Being sorry for what you and your dog went through, I would try to give some advice, because I`ve been through the same terrible story.
When you decide to buy or adopt a dog, especially a pup, try to buy also some essential staff such as instant test kits for Distemper, Parvo, Hepatitis, and Influenza Antigen detection and an imunity booster with all these deseases antibodies (such as the German made Body Glob or the Czech made CanGlob). If the dog or pup will show any signs of infectious desease you can instantly make him a shot (under the skin) after reading the instructions of the drug (especially dosage per weight) and if it will prove out to be a viral infection (of which Distemper is from far the most dangerous, except probably rabia which is extremely rare) you will at least preserve the health of the dog/pup and stop it from becoming worst. In most cases you will see a noticeble improvement in its health, but don`t take this as an end to its clinical investigations and a definite recovery. If the dog/pup will feel better, keep in mind that you will have to buy and make him at least 2 more imunity boosters to achieve a passive imunization for him. Take notice also that most vet`s do not detect / have enough experience / admit easily that a dog/pup has a viral infection so there for, precious time (even hours) is lost.
If it turns out that the dog/pup has a cough, a chill or something easy to recover, you will do him no harm at all if you will follow the instructions presented on the leaflet of the medicine. And this is also a method of keeping the dog/pup safety from the vet`s or pet saller`s ignorance of the danger of such infectious deseases. For more, you should read a bref presentation of dogs deseases.
The life of your new friend will be better protected this way.

[Daveyo]

Hi Linda

In regards to your post, hmmmm, and the basic rule of the them is if the animal is sick you do not give any kind of shots or boosters related to routine vaccinations. To give the routine vaccinations the pup or dog has to be healthy or it does not work. The vaccines made are for preventive measures and not for cures. They have this already out in the market.

Distemper virus is very hard to detect alone, and that is why the brush border smear of the inside of the lining of the bladder is most effective especially the first 14 -21 days of onset. It will not give the inclusions from long term distemper as it changes and disappears itself by going to stealth mode. The only other way to determine Distemper Virus if the CNS tap is coming out negative is the MRI and the lesions and damage shown in the MRI on the spinal cord and brain is also very diagnostic and conclusive to confirm this disease being present. The last is the pathology of the animal on the brain and cord itself after it is dead from the autopsy to confirm if the disease was present or not.

Therefore the kits are there to detect this disease if the animal is unvaccinated or vaccinated. You have to understand precisely its terms and understand how to make the proper diagnosis from the kits such as the Elisa kits. Keep in mind these kits are not cheap either.

So if you are not medically inclined to understand this and the terminologies involved, best you go directly to a medical person such as a VET who can do some exams on your pup or dog. Yes many VETS out there do not understand this disease very well due to lack of training and or knowledge or keeping up to the latest news of the cure methods. But if one pushes them and encourages them to be more open minded more and more can start curing the animal species of all kinds.

I just updated my site just yesterday of which I do every 4 months and stay on top of things and one of them is the new technique using stem cells to speed up the myelin and schwann cells during the recovery phase of the animal once the virus is stopped and killed both in the body and in the CNS. New things come out every now and then. I hope that President Obama paves the way to allow full stem cell research to become a reality as if this happens then we can really find and discover more cures out of this research.

Very important here as the medical world is running out of gas to stop many diseases and the new ones seem to keep popping up all the time.

Daveyo

[Black Linda]

1) "... and the basic rule of the them is if the animal is sick you do not give any kind of shots or boosters related to routine vaccinations. To give the routine vaccinations the pup or dog has to be healthy or it does not work. The vaccines made are for preventive measures and not for cures. They have this already out in the market."
Bodyglob is not a routine vaccine. It is a prophylactic antibody Physiological serum carrier (obtained from Blood serum from the tissues of immunized animals - usually after they have surpassed and survived the desease, meaning that they were previously sick after a high exposure to viruses -, containing antibodies and used to transfer immunity to another individual) that provide a limited time PASSIVE IMMUNIZATION. Vaccines induce ACTIVE IMMUNIZATION and sometimes due to some failures the immunologic system of an animal they do not achieve the desired immunization of the living being. Passive imunization does not intervene in the induced immunization of the animal as a result of a vaccine, except the case the animal was recently given a vaccine with living modified Antigens (in this particular case: Carre`s Antigens). It does not produce any secondary effects, except a possible allergic reaction that it is recommended to be prevented by the use of antiallergic&anaphylactic drogs. (I lost a 2.5 years pitbull after 2 weeks of treatment - and some previous 3 to 4 weeks of unknown exposure to a highly contaminated with Carre Antigens environment - with cephalosporines - 3rd and 4th generation - and body supportive treatment - vitamins, glucose, hepato&respiratory protectors DUE to an allergic reaction - massive internal bleeding discharged on his mouth - on an EXTREMELY WEAKEN animal with no appetite for food for the last week of his life, after evident signs of recovery - some 10 hours with no fever, and no respiratory problems - from an atypical form of Distemper - ONLY continuosly bronho-pneumonia symptoms with 101.48 to 104 temperature and lacking food appetite-. If this UNIQUE shot with antibodies would have been done 2 weeks or at least 1 week prior to his death, the dog would have been alive and well now, just like other dogs (even puppies) that contracted viral problems with secondary misleading clinical symptoms. So time is vital in this form of CAUSE of desease treatment - antivirus fighting - and not supportive secondary symptoms treatment that gives only a 50% chance (at best for an adult animal only) of surviving. The vet who administred him with the supportive drogs said he`d never seen before in 20 years of experience such manifestation of Distemper, but another unvaccined dog that was subject to the same environment after the pitbull was taken to another indoor location for treatment and monitoring died SHORTLY with clear irrefutable symptoms of Distemper). So antibodies drugs are especially produced for curative purposes and prophylactic only in cases such as Duffys - or my pitbull`s case - only if administred before a clinical diagnostic is available, but again time is essential in fighting such a desease and if clinical tests shows Distemper (or other type of viruses) viruses in living form (not modified as in vaccines) it is again one of the best option to help the immune system of the animal to fight against the virus, being known that an immune response of a living creature can never come and the outcome can be for sure the death of the body (and seems that Carre`s viruses are especially good in suppressing the imune response of a dog).
It is indeed easy to detect Distemper desease post mortem, but the purpose is to save the loved animal - as it was in his previous shape without neurological damages which may indeed be treated with stem cell medical technology, but with what costs? being not at least a human - that also offers comfort against trespassers from this outcome, so again, being known that clinical testing does not necessary lead to evidencing the desease the prophylactic (which may turn currative after positive results of expensive blood tests) treatment with antibodies remains still, in my option, the best way to approach and cope with the desease, especially if it is atypical. Best results (up to 100%) are offered if the intervention is done when the virus penetrates only in respiratory area and a partial immune reaction of the organism is keeping the virus from spreading through the blood to the rest of the body (as are rare cases of vaccined adult dogs which are kept without knowing in highly contaminated environments for a long time, such as yards in which during easy winters with high humid conditions and a bit higher then freezing temps, the virus can survive for a long time especially on earth ground, even during the whole winter and early spring), but even after that phase results can be surprising especially if the dog survives after his body is under attack on all affectible organs but virus has not penetrated the encephalon to start doing all the irreversible damage.
By the way, an old method in which I trust and is belonging also to this field of PASSIVE IMMUNIZATION against viruses on animals is... simple and offers the same results as antibodies boosters. Take blood from a surviving animal (I also have such an unvaccined crossbread dog, common dog, age round 4 months who is and was living in the same highly contaminated environment from which 2 other dogs, the decesed vaccinated adult pitbull and an older step brother of the 4 months surviver unvaccinated age 5-7 months also decesed clearly from Distemper) separate the liquid antibodies in a centrifuge and make a shot to a dog suspected from having Distemper. This method of which I heard from a univercity doctor in animal health that saved one of my dogs some 15 years ago when antibodies serrum such as Bodyglob was not produced, is also used in research done by students with didactic purposes in vet. labs sciences. And this ancient method if a centrifuge and a surviving subject are available can cure with no expensive treatment a dog from Distemper as results told me by students who practiced such experiments told me (80% to 100% recovery chances).

So, stem cell research may and I`m sure that for researching purposes only will help many surviving dogs with neurological problems, but I think that 80% die before this outcome is permanent, in the early stages and malnutrition and anemia is also a major factor of death in Distemper cases.

John Luca

[Daveyo]

Greetings either to Linda or to John Lucca

What you are referring to is called Serum.

First the method you are using to make the serum is way off. You need a fully vaccinated healthy animal approximately around 10 months of a nice mixed breed and completely checked for any other problems etc. If clean and healthy >>>>>

This is the donor dog

Then you inject the NDV into this donor dog based on the weight formula of 0.1cc per pound. This is your inducer to have the donor dog create the serum for you.

Timing is extremely very essential as if you do this before or after the specific hour this serum will do you not a good.

You place a jugular catherer to this donor dog and begin to extract the blood between the 11th hour and the 12th hour and put it to the sterile baggie. There is a certain amount you can only take out from the dog. Basically the bigger the dog the more you get.

After that the rest is academic in extracting the serum from this baggie and then storing it in the fridge.

So you probably already know and I will keep that part off here.

This serum will cure any animal having Distemper, Kennel Cough, Respiratory Herpes, Fading Puppy Syndrome and puppies having Distemper (because NDV is too powerful for the pup and it's immune system is not at full strength yet) and even cancer of the stomach. It is a multi use Serum. We have already called this as Serum X and been using it for the last approximately 30 years. Have over 650 confirm cases of animals fully cured body wise of the disease. It has the same speed and properties of NDV but just a bit slower than using NDV. This serum cures animals in 24 hours. This serum has not been used in the CNS because it contains antibody properties of which I am still awaiting word from the Mayo Clinic concerning their generic version on MS patients.

In my opinion antibodies will create a cascade problem in the CNS and even told the Mayo Clinic as well but by all accounts of their testing they seem to get the handshake from their lab tests. It is a well known fact that the CNS must be free from antibodies and any foreign substances to function properly and usually clear. If it is cloudy then something is ongoing in the CNS. Yes it has a defense system to protect it so injecting antibodies to such system creates ?????????? Vaccine on the other hand does not contain antibody properties but viral properties and to our astonishment back in November of 2007 it had a perfect handshake to the CNS and presto it stopped the virus, corrected the auto immune system and stimulated the stem cells some way or another into action. When the CNS fluid was taken out from the infected animal the fluid was cloudy and it was tested, it came out positive showing antibodies being present. After the NDV injection and another tap was done, the fluid came out clear and tested and no distemper antibody was present in the CNS. Go figure.

It will not cure Parvo which has been tried or probably not hep or lepto which has not been tried yet.

NDV on the other hand has a perfect handshake to the CNS and it wipes out the Distemper virus in 24 hours, and it creates a huge cytokine storm and changes the humoral aspects of the animal so fast, the Distemper virus has no chance to adjust to adapt and stay cloaked. Also this NDV takes over the auto immune system and turns off the deadly C4 T cells from destroying any more myelin and schwann cells and resets the auto immune system back to normal. The Distemper virus turned it on and changed the instructions to the auto immune system so the NDV has to basically take it back. Tit for tat I suppose. Also as a side benefit it cancelled out the full ODE effect and the dogs death sentence.

At the same token, while the NDV stimulates and assists the stem cells to repair the damage caused by the Distemper virus, it keeps the animal fully immuned for life having titer readings of around 1/1600.

There is a new procedure now in California of which stem cells speed up the repair of the myelin and schwann cells and perhaps even cancels out the seizure effects caused by Distemper. The rates are reasonable as I am told. It is injected into the damage areas and the lesions on the cord. For the brain it is injected into a different spot to have this work the best to fix the brain damage. I do not have very much data on it as of this moment.

That one is the best and the one promising discovery that can get these dogs back to normal again because I believe they need further assistance besides doing it all themselves. To my understanding the results they are getting is incredible.

In spite of the very fact it is a bird based vaccine this NDV has a whopping incredible record of many uses known to date. The person who discovered this NDV probably had no idea just how good this discovery would be and know just how far it can go in regards to battling other diseases.

It is one of the very few that has many multi uses.

With Distemper being so resilent and so difficult to stop let alone the way it destroys the animal on such short notice and its capability to go into stealth mode and sort of has a mind of its own and is able to genetically alter itself its DNA and genome sequences and it is also a airborne and contact type virus, to me by far this virus is one of the most deadly kinds known to exist. The problem is not many people really understand what this virus can do, and it also is the very same darn virus causing MS and some other problems to people on the human side. So basically this virus did jump from human to animal and from animal to human depending on which beginning you want to read concerning it.

The thing that scares me is no one has been able to figure out how to cure an animal having full blown Rabies. However they have been able to save a human being infected with it, and cure it as well. Why it doesn't work on the animal behooves me to say the least. The one thing about Rabies which I believe personally ranks below Distemper is that it is only a contact type and not airborne type. Thank goodness for a vaccine to exist otherwise Rabies would end up becoming a pandemic affecting humans and animals worldwide.

This has been a great near two years so far that these discoveries are coming out. I hope it continues if Obama allows us the full route to test the full capability of Stem cells and find out what it really can do for all of us.

I do know that they are using stem cells to get paraplegic people to walk again on their own and it is helping them to return to normal. A person who is a specialist from California does this outside of USA due to FED regulations restricting him of doing such inside USA. So we need to get that door opened up and free these bright and wonderful individuals to be able to use their knowledge and discoveries so they do not have this fear hanging over their heads.

By the way to the people involved in Urology, stem cells (a possiblilty on some future date) or NDV or your idea involving myelin and schwann cells has absolutely no bearing on continence patients or about the prostrate. Secondly the drug you have been researching on is by far a very dangerous drug having dangerous side effects. Hopefully you can come up with a drug with NO SIDE EFFECTS, like we have achieved just recently. sound good. It has everything to do with muscle degradation and tone effect and if the prostrate enlarges, it cuts off the uretha preventing a person to piss. On the other hand since people who have this problem try to focus on the nerves because the nerve sensitivity is high and in some cases the nerve sensitivity is so low they cannot control themselves, so if you bring this down or up a bit, they can hold on to it longer in their bladder. It has everything to do with the neural pathways, and also the muscles and the tone in that region. Stem cells may play a role here. So if you focused there perhaps you can be a benefit to those patients in that particular group. Thought I'd offer you a small tip.

Sorry for that particular post paragraph above. I am directing this to the 3 people involved in this site because they have been diving to other areas not related to their specific practice.

Anyway your deep insight is refreshing

Daveyo